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07-12-2012, 11:08 PM
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crap is going to hit the fan if gillis can't get good return

but i just seems really hard to do with that contract

he is obviously tradable - but for a top prospect.. i doubt it
What is hossa worth?

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What is hossa worth?
What does it matter? They aren't in a position where he HAS to go? So obviously what ever he's worth, it's more than Loungo.

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Well seeing as Vancouver is much more offensively oriented than other teams, as well as that list including goalies from the trap era, I see GAA as much less meaningfull than sav%
I guess Cam Ward, Lalime, Kolzig, Kipper, Tugs, Rolo, etc. are world beaters. Reload and start over. Then join Planet Earth on what this guy delivers in the playoffs with a stacked team.


1 1974 Tim Thomas 50 3 098 29 21 6 2.07 0.933 0.580 0 1 1 4
2 1970 Olaf Kölzig 45 2 799 20 24 6 2.14 0.927 0.444 0 0 0 12
3 1974 Patrick Lalime 41 2 549 21 20 5 1.77 0.926 0.512 0 0 0 2
4 1986 Jonathan Quick 32 1 977 20 12 4 2.12 0.926 0.625 0 0 0 0
5 1977 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 52 3 165 33 17 6 2.09 0.925 0.635 0 2 2 0
6 1965 Dominik Hašek 119 7 315 65 49 14 2.02 0.925 0.546 0 3 3 44
7 1985 Jaroslav Halak 23 1 214 10 11 0 2.42 0.923 0.435 0 0 0 0
8 1976 Miikka Kiprusoff 56 3 281 25 28 6 2.32 0.921 0.446 0 1 1 6
9 1965 Ed Belfour 161 9 945 88 68 14 2.17 0.920 0.547 0 1 1 74
10 1967 Ron Tugnutt 25 1 482 9 13 3 2.27 0.919 0.360 0 0 0 2
11 1972 Martin Brodeur 205 12 715 113 91 24 2.02 0.919 0.551 1 12 13 34
12 1969 Dwayne Roloson 50 2 858 28 18 2 2.54 0.918 0.560 0 2 2 18
13 1965 Patrick Roy 247 15 208 151 94 23 2.30 0.918 0.611 0 11 11 54
14 1984 Cam Ward 41 2 420 23 18 4 2.38 0.917 0.561 0 1 1 0
15 1973 Nikolai Khabibulin 72 4 344 39 31 6 2.40 0.917 0.542 0 1 1 8
16 1980 Ryan Miller 47 2 943 25 22 3 2.47 0.917 0.532 0 1 1 8
17 1982 Henrik Lundqvist 55 3 397 25 30 6 2.31 0.917 0.455 0 0 0 0
18 1967 Curtis Joseph 133 8 105 63 66 16 2.42 0.917 0.474 0 2 2 30
19 1972 Chris Osgood 129 7 649 74 49 15 2.09 0.916 0.574 0 5 5 32
20 1979 Roberto Luongo 61 3 714 32 29 5 2.54 0.916 0.525 0 0 0 0

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What is hossa worth?
Well he's arguably the best player on Chicago's roster. So...yeah...

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What does it matter? They aren't in a position where he HAS to go? So obviously what ever he's worth, it's more than Loungo.
Maybe we have to make the difference between asking price and bidding price here.

maybe the asking price for both are similar. I guess the bidding price for Hossa is higher.

The fact that a player need to be moved doesnt affect his value at all. It just force a team to trade at to the best bidder, instead of waiting for someone to take their asking price.

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What does it matter? They aren't in a position where he HAS to go? So obviously what ever he's worth, it's more than Loungo.
Rick Nash also has to go. Will he also get much less than his worth?

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What does it matter? They aren't in a position where he HAS to go? So obviously what ever he's worth, it's more than Loungo.
Luongo doesnt HAVE to go either.

If the only offers out there are ones that dont improve the Canucks, but solidify the team who gets Luongo, what's the incentive to trade him?

Sticking with the best goaltending tandem in the NHL is still a very viable option. Especially if the alternative is a package of pieces we don't need.

Vancouver isn't as hooped as people like to believe

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Rick Nash also has to go. Will he also get much less than his worth?
Read my post above, NHL players market is not a fixed value market.

Each player have asking and bid price.

The fact that Luongo and Nash need to be moved doesn't affect their value at all.

It just could force their team to accept the best bid. and the bidding price is always lower than the asking price.

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Rick Nash also has to go. Will he also get much less than his worth?
I believe he will go for less than his worth. He wants a trade and every team knows it. It is up to Columbus to find the desperate team to overpay. Seems as though this trade would have happened already if it was going to.

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I believe he will go for less than his worth. He wants a trade and every team knows it. It is up to Columbus to find the desperate team to overpay. Seems as though this trade would have happened already if it was going to.
its doesn't change anything about the value of Nash if every team know he need to be moved or not.

you still have to outbid every other team to acquire him.

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its doesn't change anything if every team know he need to be moved.

you still have to put the best bid to acquire him.
And the GM's have to agree on it. Columbus' GM is wanting a king's ransom when every team knows he is up against it with the trade demand.

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And the GM's have to agree on it. Columbus' GM is wanting a king's ransom when every team knows he is up against it with the trade demand.
Nash forcing a trade just force Colombus to trade him to the best bidder.

The asking price of Nash is not affected by this, Colombus wanted a kings ransom before, they still want a king ransom now.

Nobody payed their asking price in the last 10 years, they still wont do it now, the best bidder will get Nash.

It change nothing to the value of Nash that other GM are all aware that Nash need to be moved, they still have to outbid every other teams to acquire him. The Nash bidding price is the same.

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Luongo XXIV The Fanboard Menace... iunno its a start
Attack of the leafs
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Luongo XXIV The Fanboard Menace... iunno its a start
Attack of the leafs
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The Goalies strike back
Return of the Goalie
The first one is good. The others...not so much. But we can deal with that challenge when we get there.

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How do you expect a goalie to win every game 1-0

Canucks offense sucked the past two playoffs, especially last year. Don't blame the goalies.
What do you mean the Canucks who've averaged less than 1.5 goals a game in their last 12 playoff games were stacked, right?

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Rick Nash also has to go. Will he also get much less than his worth?
Hansen doesn't have to be traded so does that mean he's worth more than Nash?

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Hansen doesn't have to be traded so does that mean he's worth more than Nash?
What?

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Rick Nash also has to go. Will he also get much less than his worth?
This is where your wrong. The difference between skater and goalie is huge. Nash is still a first line right wing on his team. Which means he really doesn't have to go anywhere. The only reason he's getting moved is for a change of culture. Completely differen't than Loungo. If Nash got demoted to the 4th line because there were three other right wings better than him on the team, then he would be in a similar situation as Loungo. Goaltending is a specialized position. I'm not saying Loungo is the equivalent of a 4th liner, I'm saying that goaltending is much differen't because there is only two spots on the team. It's really not comparable to the Rick Nash situation at all, other than both team's managers are asking for way more than anyone is going to give them.

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Luongo won't come back to the Nucks... just wonder when something will happen

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I guess Cam Ward, Lalime, Kolzig, Kipper, Tugs, Rolo, etc. are world beaters. Reload and start over. Then join Planet Earth on what this guy delivers in the playoffs with a stacked team.
You've got the causation all wrong. The Canucks are the lowest scoring playoffs team to have made the Cup finals since the lockout.

Every game where they scored 2 goals, they won in the finals.

This year, same story against LA. Team couldn't score and didn't play hard despite their goalie keeping them in it.

The Canucks goaltending is the reason the team wins, not the other way around.

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Luongo won't come back to the Nucks... just wonder when something will happen
The Booth trade was supposedly a year in the making.

Hodgson has been an issue for years.

Gillis has a tendancy to take his time with these situations.

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You've got the causation all wrong. The Canucks are the lowest scoring playoffs team to have made the Cup finals since the lockout.

Every game where they scored 2 goals, they won in the finals.

This year, same story against LA. Team couldn't score and didn't play hard despite their goalie keeping them in it.

The Canucks goaltending is the reason the team wins, not the other way around.
I remember them losing 5-2 in game 6 and Loungo was on the bench before most people bought their popcorn. Just sayin

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Doesn't Luongo's star power and legitimacy outweigh his cap circumventing contract?

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Worst comes to worst if Gillis can't deal Luongo, we're gonna have the leagues best backup.

I can live with that.

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This is where your wrong. The difference between skater and goalie is huge. Nash is still a first line right wing on his team. Which means he really doesn't have to go anywhere. The only reason he's getting moved is for a change of culture. Completely differen't than Loungo. If Nash got demoted to the 4th line because there were three other right wings better than him on the team, then he would be in a similar situation as Loungo. Goaltending is a specialized position. I'm not saying Loungo is the equivalent of a 4th liner, I'm saying that goaltending is much differen't because there is only two spots on the team. It's really not comparable to the Rick Nash situation at all, other than both team's managers are asking for way more than anyone is going to give them.
My point was despite the fact they both *have* to go, they can both be kept for as long as neccessary until their respective GMs see an offer they like. Neither team is in cap difficulty, and keeping Luongo or Nash will not be a detrimentto either team. And before someone mentions the locker room situation, etc, please, these are professionals we're talking about. They're not going to throw a tantrum for waiting a month or two before being traded.

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