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07-13-2012, 01:50 PM
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I love how this board goes from people not even wanting him to turn pro, to people now wanting him to bypass the AHL and start with the Sabres.
In one day!

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07-13-2012, 01:51 PM
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What happens if players bomb out of the NHL/AHL not having gone to college? Do players usually take classes on the side? Just curious, worst case scenario and all that.

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07-13-2012, 01:53 PM
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What happens if players bomb out of the NHL/AHL not having gone to college? Do players usually take classes on the side? Just curious, worst case scenario and all that.
Some players might go back to school. Many college players who leave early finish their degree with summer courses and/or online courses. Of course, they would not be NCAA eligible.

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Imo, if NHL teams were regularly allowed to send 18 & 19 year-olds to the AHL, you'd see a lot more 18 & 19 year-olds doing their development in the AHL. If the same situation were available for Grigs (instead of only the NHL/CHL choice), I think there's a good chance he'd be ticketed to continue his development with the Sabres' organization in Rochester. Good luck, Zemgus! Wouldn't be shocked to see him play some games with the big club at some point this season.

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I don't think anyone thinks that.

I do, however think they have a better grasp of the situation than Random Internet Message Board Guy.
Maybe, but though we know a lot about Girgensons as a player and prospect, we don't know the whole story about how this decision was made.

Consider a scenario where Regier and Ruff have been told that a repeat of last year is unacceptable and will not be tolerated again. Knowing what the team lacks in terms of positional weakness and team makeup, they decide that fast-tracking Girgensons is part of the strategy to ensure a return to the playoffs and they get to keep their jobs. If they are legitimately under pressure this season, how much do they really care about what Zemgus turns into five years from now?

It's a hypothetical situation and I may just be completely making it up but it is at least worth mentioning that a decision to turn Girgensons pro may not have been with the best intentions for him in 2017, it may have been made hoping he can be fast-tracked to Buffalo this year because potentially, Regier and Ruff won't reap any reward from their selection of Girgensons.

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07-13-2012, 01:57 PM
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Maybe, but though we know a lot about Girgensons as a player and prospect, we don't know the whole story about how this decision was made.

Consider a scenario where Regier and Ruff have been told that a repeat of last year is unacceptable and will not be tolerated again. Knowing what the team lacks in terms of positional weakness and team makeup, they decide that fast-tracking Girgensons is part of the strategy to ensure a return to the playoffs and they get to keep their jobs. If they are legitimately under pressure this season, how much do they really care about what Zemgus turns into five years from now?

It's a hypothetical situation and I may just be completely making it up but it is at least worth mentioning that a decision to turn Girgensons pro may not have been with the best intentions for him in 2017, it may have been made hoping he can be fast-tracked to Buffalo this year because potentially, Regier and Ruff won't reap any reward from their selection of Girgensons.
That's possible but his junior coach also agrees he's AHL ready.

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Thought this was interesting regarding Grigorenko:

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GM Darcy Regier said Thursday night negotiations are continuing with Grigorenko on an entry-level deal. He cannot play in Rochester this year; he can only play for the Sabres or return to junior hockey with the Quebec Ramparts.
Source: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...irgensons.html

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Jordan Staal was an 18 year old playing in the NHL.....

Isn't the Lotto Motto "Hey, you never know!!!!!"

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07-13-2012, 02:03 PM
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He will be a Sabre, not an Amerk, to start the season.
Nice try but not for more than nine games.

Jeeze, put down the kool aid people.

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Jordan Staal was an 18 year old playing in the NHL.....

Isn't the Lotto Motto "Hey, you never know!!!!!"
Hockey isnt lotto,besides remmember the saying better safe than sorry and by safe i mean not rushing girgensons so he doesnt break under pressure

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Maybe, but though we know a lot about Girgensons as a player and prospect, we don't know the whole story about how this decision was made.

Consider a scenario where Regier and Ruff have been told that a repeat of last year is unacceptable and will not be tolerated again. Knowing what the team lacks in terms of positional weakness and team makeup, they decide that fast-tracking Girgensons is part of the strategy to ensure a return to the playoffs and they get to keep their jobs. If they are legitimately under pressure this season, how much do they really care about what Zemgus turns into five years from now?

It's a hypothetical situation and I may just be completely making it up but it is at least worth mentioning that a decision to turn Girgensons pro may not have been with the best intentions for him in 2017, it may have been made hoping he can be fast-tracked to Buffalo this year because potentially, Regier and Ruff won't reap any reward from their selection of Girgensons.
I think it's a tad far fetched that they would cast their playoff hopes on fast tracking this kid.

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Jordan Staal was an 18 year old playing in the NHL.....

Isn't the Lotto Motto "Hey, you never know!!!!!"
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=31850

This guy played in the NHL at 18yo, too.....


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The one thing about Girgensons making the Sabres is that his game does fit nicely as a third line center--much like Couturier. Girgensons doesn't need to be on a scoring line to be effective. I could see him sliding into Roy's line between Leino and Pominville.

Another thing to keep in mind is he can start in the AHL and then get called up mid-season. He doesn't have to make the Sabres out of camp.

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Ohh, I`am so excited! But at the same time, a little bit worried.

Can he still manage to develop his offensive skills, (yeah we all know, the guy is strong, with decent defensive skill), but how about offense? Can he still develop to 1st or 2nd line C, playing at 3rd line in AHL? Or are we there talking about leading role form him in AHL?

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Here's Sabres University's first star pupil. This will be a test of how good they've got that ship running.
Did anyone else accidentally read this as ship ruining?

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Nice try but not for more than nine games.

Jeeze, put down the kool aid people.
The 9 game look only applies to kids in the CHL that aren't old enough for the AHL.

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The one thing about Girgensons making the Sabres is that his game does fit nicely as a third line center--much like Couturier. Girgensons doesn't need to be on a scoring line to be effective. I could see him sliding into Roy's line between Leino and Pominville.

Another thing to keep in mind is he can start in the AHL and then get called up mid-season. He doesn't have to make the Sabres out of camp.
I don't doubt that Darcy is hoping he's good enough to fill that role this season. I just hope he's not relying on that happening and not looking to make any other moves because of it.

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07-13-2012, 02:15 PM
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I don't doubt that Darcy is hoping he's good enough to fill that role this season. I just hope he's not relying on that happening and not looking to make any other moves because of it.
IMO I think he's going to let there be an open competition between Adam, Grigorenko, Girgensons, and maybe even Leino for that 3rd center opportunity, and just let the best guy win. In which case I gotta like Girgs chances.

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Maybe, but though we know a lot about Girgensons as a player and prospect, we don't know the whole story about how this decision was made.

Consider a scenario where Regier and Ruff have been told that a repeat of last year is unacceptable and will not be tolerated again. Knowing what the team lacks in terms of positional weakness and team makeup, they decide that fast-tracking Girgensons is part of the strategy to ensure a return to the playoffs and they get to keep their jobs. If they are legitimately under pressure this season, how much do they really care about what Zemgus turns into five years from now?

It's a hypothetical situation and I may just be completely making it up but it is at least worth mentioning that a decision to turn Girgensons pro may not have been with the best intentions for him in 2017, it may have been made hoping he can be fast-tracked to Buffalo this year because potentially, Regier and Ruff won't reap any reward from their selection of Girgensons.
His junior coach being on board seals if for me. No way that guy tells his kid to skip school and sign a pro deal if he didn't think he could do it.

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somewhat worried they are rushing him. Regier and Ruff do seem to have a good eye for when players are ready though.

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Trefilov > Skudra
Heeey, stats suggest otherwise. Skudra had a shutout in his sole appearance (Then again I'm not sure he played the whole game.)

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somewhat worried they are rushing him. Regier and Ruff do seem to have a good eye for when players are ready though.
Could also be an additional reason they traded up to get him.

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Good for him! I hope his development curve is ready to crank up.

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Thought this was interesting regarding Grigorenko:



Source: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...irgensons.html
I think we will sign Grig too and let both of them get a full training camp in to help develop. Can't hurt playing with the best!

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Heeey, stats suggest otherwise. Skudra had a shutout in his sole appearance (Then again I'm not sure he played the whole game.)
Skudra played 27 seconds in that game.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...010200BUF.html

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