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07-13-2012, 01:22 PM
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Pretty much how I feel. Weber gets a lot of heat but he really hasn't been put in a position to succeed, in my opinion. He was given some PP time then yanked a few games later when it didn't work.

I'll admit though, Weber wouldn't be in the position he is now had he put more time into practicing his accuracy. He has quite the bullet, but he can never get it on target.
We see some flashes every now and then of his offensive play but his inconsistency will get him out of MTL with all of those D's that will push him in the back.

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So how much left for PK?

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Yep great deal, perfect 5-6 D-man

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So how much left for PK?
I think we have about $6.3m in cap space left.

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Hope it means the end du jeune Vé-ber
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bye bye weber
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Good signing. Probably means that a defenseman is gone (Weber?) even if MB says you can never have too many.
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Sweet, avoided arbitration. Is Weber a goner?

Who's our triggerman on the 2nd PP?
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Le jeune Veber is probably gonzo.
Haven't we learned our lesson that you can't have enough decent NHL-calibre defensemen on the team? Why is everyone so eager to chase Weber out of town?

We had 10 defensemen play for us last year. I don't see the problem in having 8 ready to go for this season. If everyone is (shockingly) healthy at the start of the season you can keep 8 then look to trade one in Nov/Dec if you feel you must.

Diaz and Weber are shockingly close to the same player on paper, right down to last year's stats and size. However Weber is 2.5 years younger. I think it's worth letting the two of them fight it out for the # 7 spot. No harm in carrying 8 D to start the year.

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Pretty much how I feel. Weber gets a lot of heat but he really hasn't been put in a position to succeed, in my opinion. He was given some PP time then yanked a few games later when it didn't work.

I'll admit though, Weber wouldn't be in the position he is now had he put more time into practicing his accuracy. He has quite the bullet, but he can never get it on target.
Only 15 defensemen in the league scored more PP goals than Yannick Weber last year.

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Only 15 defensemen in the league scored more PP goals than Yannick Weber last year.
I didn't know that.

He really has quite a shot. People here talk about his consistency. It's hard to find consistency when you're constantly being switched from forward to defenseman to healthy scratch.

With the depth we have now, I don't see him getting a chance next year, sadly. We'll see. But it's a waste, because he has the tools to succeed I think.

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Great!

The only thing I'm afraid of, is that he currently develop the same way that Streit did. Pretty similar numbers in Swiss-A league, both have about the same size and both made the jump directly to NHL from Swiss-A. Streit had 11pts in 48 games in his rookie season while Diaz had 16 in 59 games.

I'm afraid Diaz might explose as well on offense over the next 2 season and then he will seek for a $5M+ contract. Good news is that if this happen, he will take Markov money since his contract would be over at the same time.

I'm optimist about Diaz, he have a very good vision, make good passes and he's very smart in his own zone.

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Buying the first UFA year for cheap is a good move. I was less than impressed with the UFA period butt Bergevin is doing well in re-sigining his own guys for cheap. Diaz shouldn't have any problem out performing 1.225 million in cap over the next two years, that's depth defenseman money.

As it stands with Weber vs Diaz. Diaz has better defense overall and can play a decent 2nd pairing penalty kill. He's better at even strength play. Whereas Weber is a pretty good power play depth defenseman and is younger and more apt to improve with time. Weber is probably better on offense, Diaz had relatively good rookie numbers but those were more a function of being decent offensively in the minutes he played on power play and even strength rather than having a particular offensive flair.

I like Diaz better for the Habs but there's no problem with having depth on defense. As it was noted above, defenseman always get injured.

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Diaz reminds me a bit of Robidas when he was playing for the Habs. Not sure if he has what it takes to become a good NHLer, but I like him.

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Why do I have the feeling Vébaire is gonna end up in Tampa Bay ?

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Weber isn't moving. He isn't worth much, and depth is better than no depth.

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The hate for Weber is ridiculous. As others have said, he hasn't been put in a position to succeed. A ton of assets have been mishandled under the last regime. I'd be hesitant to get rid of anyone until they fail with the new management. It's possible Weber never amounts to anything but I think he's got potential.

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The hate for Weber is ridiculous. As others have said, he hasn't been put in a position to succeed. A ton of assets have been mishandled under the last regime. I'd be hesitant to get rid of anyone until they fail with the new management. It's possible Weber never amounts to anything but I think he's got potential.
Not sure I agree with that. He's been in our organization longer than but already lost his spot to Subban (two years ago) and then Emelin and Diaz (last year). Not to mention the fact that in the last two years, when we were looking for someone to help the PP (his bread and butter), he couldn't fill the role and we had to go out and get Wisniewski, Campoli and Kaberle.

I want Weber to succeed, but he's running out of chances. He's still young but it's a make-or-break time for him; we have to decide if he's worth investing in or move on, kind of like O'Byrne a couple of years ago.

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Trade weber for nothing, give something useful for a PP shooter at deadline. Yay.

So...keep weber.

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I would have posted that. Woe-ber is a defensive liability and redundant offensively.

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Not sure I agree with that. He's been in our organization longer than but already lost his spot to Subban (two years ago) and then Emelin and Diaz (last year). Not to mention the fact that in the last two years, when we were looking for someone to help the PP (his bread and butter), he couldn't fill the role and we had to go out and get Wisniewski, Campoli and Kaberle.

I want Weber to succeed, but he's running out of chances. He's still young but it's a make-or-break time for him; we have to decide if he's worth investing in or move on, kind of like O'Byrne a couple of years ago.
I agree with this.

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Diaz is gonna develop into a good bottom pairing 2 way defenseman, better offensively than defensively, but will do the job in his zone.

That said, Weber is gone IMO.

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Hopefully this means we won't be rushing prospects any more.

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Great!

The only thing I'm afraid of, is that he currently develop the same way that Streit did. Pretty similar numbers in Swiss-A league, both have about the same size and both made the jump directly to NHL from Swiss-A. Streit had 11pts in 48 games in his rookie season while Diaz had 16 in 59 games.

I'm afraid Diaz might explose as well on offense over the next 2 season and then he will seek for a $5M+ contract. Good news is that if this happen, he will take Markov money since his contract would be over at the same time.

I'm optimist about Diaz, he have a very good vision, make good passes and he's very smart in his own zone.
So you're afraid that he'll become too good?

If he turns out to be anything close to Mark Streit I'd be jumping for joy.

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I like Diaz. If he was taller hed get a lot more credit around here.

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Haven't we learned our lesson that you can't have enough decent NHL-calibre defensemen on the team? Why is everyone so eager to chase Weber out of town?

We had 10 defensemen play for us last year. I don't see the problem in having 8 ready to go for this season. If everyone is (shockingly) healthy at the start of the season you can keep 8 then look to trade one in Nov/Dec if you feel you must.
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I like Diaz. If he was taller hed get a lot more credit around here.
since when has this board had a size complex?

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So how much left for PK?
depends on who makes the team, but if they go with 8D (Markov/Gorges/Subban/Kabs/Emelin/Diaz/Cube/Weber) and 13 F (DD, Pac, Cole, Pleks, Bourque, Gio, Prust, Eller, Gomez, Noke, Armstrong, White, Moen) then we should have a little under 7.5M left in cap space for 22 contracts.

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Not sure I agree with that. He's been in our organization longer than but already lost his spot to Subban (two years ago) and then Emelin and Diaz (last year). Not to mention the fact that in the last two years, when we were looking for someone to help the PP (his bread and butter), he couldn't fill the role and we had to go out and get Wisniewski, Campoli and Kaberle.

I want Weber to succeed, but he's running out of chances. He's still young but it's a make-or-break time for him; we have to decide if he's worth investing in or move on, kind of like O'Byrne a couple of years ago.
Don't disagree with you. Was never a favorite of mine. Yet....how tough it is for a young player to play on D....up front....4 minutes.....10 minutes....sit.....up front 5 minutes.....with some D....on the PP 2 shifts....I mean. It has to be tough and probably reserved to the best of them which he isn't. I still believe that he will always be overpowered defensively though while I'm clearly not comparing both....I also remember thinking the same for one guy....Stéphane Robidas. He was put in a position to succeed in Dallas and took it. Though I understand, every player put in a position to succeed, if they don't have it, won't succeed. So would be intereting to say how he does elsewhere.

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