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07-11-2012, 07:09 PM
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Poor, poor owners! Revenue has increased by 50% while players' salaries have increased by 15%. That's just unacceptable.

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Revenue is believed to have risen by $1.2 billion annually since 2004-05 (from $2.1 billion in 2005 to $3.3 billion this year) while the average player salary has increased by a million to $2.4 million. NBC signed a 10-year, $2 billion broadcast deal, the latest indicator of good financial health in the league (along with increased attendance and more prominent national sponsors).

Since the lockout, the total cost of player salaries has increased by 15 per cent while league revenue has risen by 50 per cent.
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As usual, the owners are pleading for relief from high players' salaries. Maybe they s
should start the process of negotiating a new CBA by looking in the mirror:

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The Wild was not formerly a player in most discussions involving 13-year, $98 million contracts, but they now have twin ones. Only a few months ago, the Wild owner Craig Leipold told The Minneapolis Star-Tribune: “We’re not making money, and that’s one reason we need to fix our system. We need to fix how much we’re spending right now.”
And no doubt that's why the Wild signed not one, but two players to outrageous contracts.







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Didn't catch the last CBA talks?
And the League wasn't interested in having an 04-05 season. They 100% wanted no season. They had a war chest, were losing money by just opening the doors, and they wanted break the players. It wasn't a negotiation, it was a forced "No".

The point still stands. Bettman gave a lower UFA age, the "unattainable" 57% bonus for hitting $3B in revenue and the rules committee thing. When he said, "Cap league and that 24% thing you were floating" there was no agreement. When he gave some concessions, there was an agreement.

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"Potential" should be removed from the title and replaced by, imminent. The players have nothing to do with this. It is owners vs. owners. They all have to buy into the socialist system and they all do not. Nothing has changed and the fans ultimately get *****. The successful franchises want more reward for excellence and that doesn't fit the model. They must learn to spread the wealth of their hard work.

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"Potential" should be removed from the title and replaced by, imminent. The players have nothing to do with this. It is owners vs. owners. They all have to buy into the socialist system and they all do not. Nothing has changed and the fans ultimately get *****. The successful franchises want more reward for excellence and that doesn't fit the model. They must learn to spread the wealth of their hard work.
and you're an insider into the negotiations right?

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Can't they just increase the cap hit whilst decreasing the cap floor? Or is there more to the matter?

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07-13-2012, 01:35 PM
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Big ‪#NHL‬/#NHLPA day only if someone shows some cards. Tired of cordial meetings. Fact is no one has made formal proposal yet. Get going boys
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Bettman leaves as NHL/NHLPA meetings over. Calls it business-like
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Would be nice if the meetings were longer then a couple hours a week.

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There will be some time missed question is how much

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There will be some time missed question is how much
Praying zero.

Likely 3 months.

Will kill if its another season.

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Donald Fehr on today's CBA talks: "I think it is fair to say we had a good and frank exchange of views."
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The gloves came off today.

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‪#NHLPA‬ boss Donald Fehr: "I have always viewed a strike as a last resort."
https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/s...77330894983171

How can there be a strike in the summer and the CBA expires before training camps open?

Someone asked Fehr about a strike? Which idiot was that?

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Could in theory the cap be tied to revenues on a partial basis? If revenues go up 5% in a year then the cap rises 3/4ths of that percentage? So 3.75%

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How can there be a strike in the summer and the CBA expires before training camps open?

Someone asked Fehr about a strike? Which idiot was that?
The expiration of the CBA doesn't mean that the owners have to lockout the players. If they don't, the league continues on the old CBA while negotiations are ongoing. The NHLPA can strike in that scenario.

The same kind of situation has been going on with the ConEd workers up there. My buddy is one of them. They don't have a CBA and the ownership currently has them locked out. They're willing to allow the workers to come back to work, but only if the union guarantees they won't strike (a little hypocritical right there).

It wouldn't be a strike in the summer. It would be a strike in October.

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The expiration of the CBA doesn't mean that the owners have to lockout the players. If they don't, the league continues on the old CBA while negotiations are ongoing. The NHLPA can strike in that scenario.

The same kind of situation has been going on with the ConEd workers up there. My buddy is one of them. They don't have a CBA and the ownership currently has them locked out. They're willing to allow the workers to come back to work, but only if the union guarantees they won't strike (a little hypocritical right there).

It wouldn't be a strike in the summer. It would be a strike in October.
Are you really naive enough to believe the NHL won't lock out the players?


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According to Renaud Lavoie of RDS, the NHL has proposed the following changed to the NHLPA:

Reduce players hockey related revenues to 57% from 46%. (Each % point is a loss of $3 million for players)
10 seasons in NHL before being UFA
Contract limits of FIVE YEARS.
no more salary arbitration
FIVE-YEAR entry level contracts instead of Three-Years.
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2012/0...-to-the-nhlpa/

Hello lockout. Not a surprise.

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Post has learned proposal calls for ceiling to be set $4M above midpoint, floor $8M under
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Post has learned proposal would eliminate signing bonuses and mandate same salary in each season with 5-yr term limit
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"The moment the proposal was presented, every player in the room knew Gary had just written off 1st 3 months of the season." - an NHL agent
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**** you gary and you stupid owners.

Hello lockout is right.

Bettman is the worst thing the NHL ever got.

That proposal is like one huge slap in the face to the players.

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I understand you set your demands high and negotiate down from there but my God that proposal is one that I'd laugh at if I was part of the NHLPA. I'd actually laugh in their faces while they propose that.

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Reduce players hockey related revenues to 57% from 46%. (Each % point is a loss of $3 million for players)
10 seasons in NHL before being UFA
Contract limits of FIVE YEARS.
no more salary arbitration
FIVE-YEAR entry level contracts instead of Three-Years.
they'll settle around 50 percent, 8 years UFA (currently 7), contract limits will be 7 or 8 years with no front or back loading, 4 year ELC. it'll get done

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they'll settle around 50 percent, 8 years UFA (currently 7), contract limits will be 7 or 8 years with no front or back loading, 4 year ELC. it'll get done
That's exactly what I said to some people earlier. I don't see why they can't settle on that so I'm not worried yet. I'm just curious as to see what they do with the current contracts cap hits. I guess going forward what you make that year will equal your cap hit unless they just get rid of front and back loading. No way they can alter past contracts though to equal what you're making that year your cap hit.

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Good god that proposal is horrendous. Why does it have to change so dramatically?

It really is a joke that the NHL has to get locked out every 8 years.

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