well, given the fact that you leave out the entire quality aspect, i'm assuming that you do agree that 990 is pretty content rich considering the market size. way more rich than any francophone content. And it's not speculation - a fact.
If anyone would like to argue that francophone sports radio, be it old ckac, is content rich, they're ignorant, plain and simple.
In fact, I would say that by and large, french sports radio is a huge joke. Hopefully that changes with RDS, I'm sure there'll be major improvement.
But that aside, you speak about ratings... given that the Montreal community that will listen to talk radio in english is relatively small to begin with, I think the 990 ratings are a success.
We agree that the french market in population is much more than 4 times the size of the english market - however, as you pointed out, CKAC listeners only totalled 200,000 (4 times more). If it were proportional to 990s, they should have a lot more.
Don't forget, for every person that will listen to english talk radio in the province, there's another 10 people that will listen to french.
And I always felt that local radio should serve the community that supports it - and there's no denying that 990 had support and was sustainable.
As for rds 690, I will listen, but if it's the same junk toothless drunkin discriminative quebec quebec french french chez nous crap, I'll refuse.
Sigh... french = bad, english = good. Forget it, you're not worth it. And you call others discriminative...
PS. Oh and btw, TSN 990's market share among anglophones was 30% lower than CKAC's among francophones. The end.
Sigh... french = bad, english = good. Forget it, you're not worth it. And you call others discriminative...
PS. Oh and btw, TSN 990's market share among anglophones was 30% lower than CKAC's among francophones. The end.
hmmm... not sure how Im discriminative... only stating the facts.
and if we look at the listeners vs the anglo / franco population , it doesnt take a degree in statistics to conclude that 50k anglo listeners is a greater proportion than 200 k francophone listeners since the francophone population is much more than 4 x the size.
hmmm... not sure how Im discriminative... only stating the facts.
and if we look at the listeners vs the anglo / franco population , it doesnt take a degree in statistics to conclude that 50k anglo listeners is a greater proportion than 200 k francophone listeners since the francophone population is much more than 4 x the size.
the end.
But is doesn't take a math degree to understand that the post you quoted already considered the population gap.
Montreal Anglos is the same population as Columbus Ohio. Were a City on our own... RDS can apply for a fresh station & share resources. Were all on the same team. HABS!
Montreal Anglos is the same population as Columbus Ohio. Were a City on our own... RDS can apply for a fresh station & share resources. Were all on the same team. HABS!
The guy who's saying that the english population of the island is the size of Colombus Ohio, could you please back up what you are saying? That would mean that the english population of Montreal is almost 800K people wich is totaly false.
1,593,720 total population, 200,000 english population, 834,520 french population.
Look at the table, stop saying things like without backing them up. I'd realy wanna see how someone would come up with the idea that the english population of Montreal is as big as the one of Colombus, Ohio.
Again i am one of the people defending the english community to have their own sport radio station, i think that CKAC was realy bad and most of its host were ignorants, i just don't want lies to come in the way of the discussion.
The guy who's saying that the english population of the island is the size of Colombus Ohio, could you please back up what you are saying? That would mean that the english population of Montreal is almost 800K people wich is totaly false.
1,593,720 total population, 200,000 english population, 834,520 french population.
Look at the table, stop saying things like without backing them up. I'd realy wanna see how someone would come up with the idea that the english population of Montreal is as big as the one of Colombus, Ohio.
Again i am one of the people defending the english community to have their own sport radio station, i think that CKAC was realy bad and most of its host were ignorants, i just don't want lies to come in the way of the discussion.
The guy who's saying that the english population of the island is the size of Colombus Ohio, could you please back up what you are saying? That would mean that the english population of Montreal is almost 800K people wich is totaly false.
1,593,720 total population, 200,000 english population, 834,520 french population.
Look at the table, stop saying things like without backing them up. I'd realy wanna see how someone would come up with the idea that the english population of Montreal is as big as the one of Colombus, Ohio.
Again i am one of the people defending the english community to have their own sport radio station, i think that CKAC was realy bad and most of its host were ignorants, i just don't want lies to come in the way of the discussion.
You do realize that the stats are based on mother tongue, not language spoken. Almost all the non official language category probably speaks English and not French, thus making Montreal a city almost half half, which is what it is. There's more than 1M English speaking people in Quebec.
And that excludes French people like me that are bilingual and listen to French or English stations as much.
You do realize that the stats are based on mother tongue, not language spoken. Almost all the non official language category probably speaks English and not French, thus making Montreal a city almost half half, which is what it is. There's more than 1M English speaking people in Quebec.
And that excludes French people like me that are bilingual and listen to French or English stations as much.
Well I don't think it's right to conclude all allophones prefer their services in English. Many do of course, a lot are indiffererent and if they speak English more than French it's a matter of pragmatism.
But I do agree it's not only anglophones who use English more than French.
You do realize that the stats are based on mother tongue, not language spoken. Almost all the non official language category probably speaks English and not French, thus making Montreal a city almost half half, which is what it is. There's more than 1M English speaking people in Quebec.
And that excludes French people like me that are bilingual and listen to French or English stations as much.
Not going into this whole debate since I'm a daily TSN990 Francophone listener, and want them to continue existing, but what you say is false. A lot of Montreal immigrants are from West Africa, Maghreb, Haiti, Vietnam, etc., and are more fluent in French as their 2nd language.
You do realize that the stats are based on mother tongue, not language spoken. Almost all the non official language category probably speaks English and not French, thus making Montreal a city almost half half, which is what it is. There's more than 1M English speaking people in Quebec.
And that excludes French people like me that are bilingual and listen to French or English stations as much.
That's a given idea, if you go back to the link i gave you there is a part for people who speaks two languages at home, the part that has non-official language and french is almost twice the amount of english/non-official language. Also if you have the rapport Taylor-Bouchard you'd find out that the majority of immigrant in Quebec already speak french to various degree when they arrive in Quebec.
2nd EDIT : Not mother tongue but language spoke at home, the statistics unlless indicated otherwise always take in account the language spoken at home.
Numbers of francophones is Quebec is totally irrelevant in the case of an MONTREAL-BASED radio.
This statement might have been true several years ago, but with internet radio now days, the physical location of the fan base, the listenership, is what counts, as the talks are for Habs' fans all over the world.
Not taking any sides here, this speaks in favour of both the English and the French listenership. One thing is apparently known though, it's that TSN990 didn't draw the way they were expecting.
I doubt out of market listeners mean too much. I listen to TSN 990 all the time and there's never, ever an ad that's relevant to anybody outside the greater Montreal area.
Joe Schmo's Cars on Decarie is about as meaningful an ad to me as one of Melnick's Dylan tunes. Actually less meaningful - I've bought a Dylan album before.
Left Montreal years ago but how many sports stations have there been Montreal in the past ~20 years? I recall there was the team 990 (which I assume is now TSN 990). What is there to talk about 24hrs/day in MTL outside the Habs? There's no baseball team anymore, no basketball team. Alouettes can take up a segment, so can UFC/fighting. Perhaps a soccer show once a week. I don't really think it's surprising for a sports station to die there.
In Toronto, the content outside of the Leafs is mostly Raptors and Blue Jays based.
You do realize that the stats are based on mother tongue, not language spoken. Almost all the non official language category probably speaks English and not French, thus making Montreal a city almost half half, which is what it is. There's more than 1M English speaking people in Quebec.
And that excludes French people like me that are bilingual and listen to French or English stations as much.
