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Habs Board 2012 Prospect Rankings #20

View Poll Results: Who is #20?
Josiah Didier, D 4 3.51%
Greg Pateryn, D 4 3.51%
Olivier Archambault, LW 2 1.75%
Colin Sullivan, D 1 0.88%
Daniel Pribyl, C 12 10.53%
Joe Stejskal, D 0 0%
Alexander Avtsin, RW 15 13.16%
Gabriel Dumont, C 18 15.79%
Magnus Nygren, D 1 0.88%
Erik Nystrom, LW 2 1.75%
Charles Hudon, LW 19 16.67%
Brendon Nash, D 17 14.91%
Dustin Walsh, C 1 0.88%
Ian Schultz, RW 5 4.39%
Joonas Nattinen, C 13 11.40%
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07-14-2012, 12:50 PM
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Are we going past 20? Voted Schultz, hope he get a stint in the NHL this season.

Schultz, Proust, White and Moen... neat!

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A slapshot is more than raw potential and wasting a year of development in prep school. From what I hear Sullivan barely is a hockey player at this point.

I don't think Nygren will ever play in North America though.
I think it's silly to say he "wasted" a year playing in the USHS, but it's downright stupid to say he's barely a hockey player at this point as that doesn't make any sense at all. He was accepted to play for one of the best hockey programs in the NCAA and had offers from several other teams from what i heard. If he was barely a hockey player, the top programs in the NCAA would not want him.

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Well I mean he was drafted because he's a great skater, which makes him a perfectly valid prospect to be fair, but I hear he has little hockey sense. Right now Nygren might not much but he already has a role in professional hockey, Sullivan is nothing but potential.

It was a nice pick for sure but I really don't like how he played last year in prep school and not the USHL or whatever.

For what it's worth, I could see Sullivan as a bigger version of Chris Campoli..which would be better than Nygren at this point.
I've only seen him once but I didnt see any problem with his hockey sense and think he's actually got good upside. Since he played at a lower level, I wouldn't rank him in the top 20 but if things go well at BC next season I could easily see him being in the top 20.

Sullivan is nothing like Campoli, he reminds me a bit of Mac Bennett (the played in the same Northeastern prep league, which is likely the 2nd best in the USHS behind Minnesota)

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Not sure why Dumont is getting any votes. It is unlikely that he will ever make the big club and even if he did his absolute upside is a 4th liner.

Nash is also in the same boat for D prospects.......

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Not sure why Dumont is getting any votes. It is unlikely that he will ever make the big club and even if he did his absolute upside is a 4th liner.

Nash is also in the same boat for D prospects.......
Gabriel Dumont can be a solid bottom 6 centre that is a huge pest to the opposition, while playing a solid defensive shut-down game. Think Maxim Lapierre.

I don't get why everyone would jump on Hudon so quickly, not even knowing what this kid could be. Sure he could be a 20 goal scoring winger. Then again, he could spend his life as a fringe NHL'er, life-time AHL'er too.

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Are we going past 20? Voted Schultz, hope he get a stint in the NHL this season.

Schultz, Proust, White and Moen... neat!
Pretty sure WTK said in a previous installment he would keep making those until we've ranked all prospects. I'm pretty sure the next one will be a multiple choice poll too, taking down two prospects at a time.

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Gabriel Dumont can be a solid bottom 6 centre that is a huge pest to the opposition, while playing a solid defensive shut-down game. Think Maxim Lapierre.

I don't get why everyone would jump on Hudon so quickly, not even knowing what this kid could be. Sure he could be a 20 goal scoring winger. Then again, he could spend his life as a fringe NHL'er, life-time AHL'er too.
Wholeheartedly agree with you.

Dumont already played in the NHL, which is a pretty big accomplishment considering the kind of role he plays and the fact that the only other pick from that draft (2009) that also played an NHL game is our first round pick--Leblanc. Hell, he played in the NHL before any of the picks from the previous year too (granted, our 2008 crop is pretty weak).

I didn't vote for him, but I, like you, can see his upside. Plus, what's wrong with bottom 6 players? You need 'em too. All we ever heard last season is how crappy our bottom 6 was and that it would make us lose game, now we're scoffing at bottom 6 players?

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How you balance upside with a players chance of making the
NHL is always interesting. And it's difficult to apply it consistently.
But, Avtsin, for all his failure to adapt in the AHL, still has a high
upside. I realize he doesn't seem to understand what he needs to
do to be a professional hockey player. And I would think he's completely lost his confidence for now. But these seem like things that could change quickly, and he's still pretty young.
I don't know what his work-ethic is like in practice, or in the gym,
but at some point he worked hard enough to develop very good skills.
And I personally think loosing confidence makes it harder for athletes
to learn the mental parts of the game, as much as it impairs their
ability to preform the physical parts. So I wouldn't be surprised if,
at some point, he turned it around and became one of our best
prospects.
Should that happen, I'm going to scream "I told you so" at anyone
who is still talking to me.

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How you balance upside with a players chance of making the
NHL is always interesting. And it's difficult to apply it consistently.
But, Avtsin, for all his failure to adapt in the AHL, still has a high
upside. I realize he doesn't seem to understand what he needs to
do to be a professional hockey player. And I would think he's completely lost his confidence for now. But these seem like things that could change quickly, and he's still pretty young.
I don't know what his work-ethic is like in practice, or in the gym,
but at some point he worked hard enough to develop very good skills.
And I personally think loosing confidence makes it harder for athletes
to learn the mental parts of the game, as much as it impairs their
ability to preform the physical parts. So I wouldn't be surprised if,
at some point, he turned it around and became one of our best
prospects.
Should that happen, I'm going to scream "I told you so" at anyone
who is still talking to me.
Nice formating.

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Nice formating.
I don't know why it comes out like that. Certainly not
because it's typed that way. But given my lack of computer
skills, I'm not too surprised.

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I have Didier, Sullivan and Nash ahead of Nygren.
How, and why? Didier is the only only one who I would project to be nearly as good. Nash may be among the more "NHL ready", but he's really not that good, and at 25 years old close to the best we'll probably ever see him. Sullivan... well... he spent 5 years in a high school league. 5. How did he ever have the chance to impress you even nearly as much as just the other 3 guys in this comparison?

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Nygren. Add Peter Delmas

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Gabriel Dumont can be a solid bottom 6 centre that is a huge pest to the opposition, while playing a solid defensive shut-down game. Think Maxim Lapierre.

I don't get why everyone would jump on Hudon so quickly, not even knowing what this kid could be. Sure he could be a 20 goal scoring winger. Then again, he could spend his life as a fringe NHL'er, life-time AHL'er too.
Exactly my point?

Hudon could be a player who plays in the top six. Dumont only has an outside chance of being a 4th line center with no chance of playing in the top nine.

IMO players like Dumont are irrelevant as far as NHL prospects go because their upside is that of a player who makes league minimum who can be aquired for nothing at any point of the season. I like having him in Hamilton but that really is the extent of his value. At least Hudon has the possibility of being something more as an NHLer.

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