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07-14-2012, 11:53 AM
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If you make an offer sheet then every GM who doesn't believe in offer sheeting as an unwritten rule will now begin open season on Detroit for as long as Holland is there, offering any of their players sheets any time they feel like it with impunity.
While I could easily see the backlash being bigger in the case of a player like Weber, there does not seem to be that much to support that statement in reality. San Jose and Vancouver did not get a flood of offer sheets, whether it was for a lack of trying or exeptionally loyal players.

Anyway, IF Weber wants out, everyone involved will be better off with a trade this summer. NSH can get a return that fits them better than picking high indefinitely, Weber still gets his retirement contract and the new team can still give him a never ending deal with the **** frontloaded out of it, befor going to CBA meetings and complaining about players getting too much money on too long contracts.

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Let's say you are looking at signing a contract. As of right now there is a very real possibility of you getting a 15 year deal with over $100m, or you could sign a one-year deal at no more than $14m, wait until Jan 1, and then sign an extension. Which do you pick?

Assuming anyone decided that the latter was the better option, let's throw this in the mix. There is a very real possibility that the 15 year term will be done away with, and length will be capped at 10 or under before Jan 1. Do you still risk it?

That's why Weber won't sign a one-year deal with anyone. At all.

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07-14-2012, 12:55 PM
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I'm not sure how this works, but couldn't Detroit offer him a long contract with a $92 million dollar check upon signing on the dotted line?

No way can Nashville come up with a $92 million dollar check the day he signs. Wouldn't that be the types of 'terms' Nashville would have to match?

That might be the loop-hole for Detroit.

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07-14-2012, 01:01 PM
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If you make an offer sheet then every GM who doesn't believe in offer sheeting as an unwritten rule will now begin open season on Detroit for as long as Holland is there, offering any of their players sheets any time they feel like it with impunity.
Sharks offered sheeted Hjmarrisson (sp?), how many teams offer sheeted their players since then? I'm counting.... none?

I think your theory is fictitious; suff you see in Hollywood movies, not in real life.

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Detroit would be dumb to do an offersheet and Weber would be dumb to sign it.

If Weber wants out next season, he's not going to sign a long-term deal with Detroit since Nashville will probably match it, thus keeping him in Nashville for the rest of his career.

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4 firsts? I don't think he is worth depleting the pipeline for.
We haven't had 1st rounders for at least the last two drafts off the top of my head. Is it really that big of a deal if he keeps us competitive and those picks are ~20 or later? Holland would've just traded all 4 down for 2nd rounders anyways.

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We haven't had 1st rounders for at least the last two drafts off the top of my head. Is it really that big of a deal if he keeps us competitive and those picks are ~20 or later? Holland would've just traded all 4 down for 2nd rounders anyways.
^ Another good point, Detroit value their 5th - 7th rounders more than their 1st round picks.

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^ Another good point, Detroit value their 5th - 7th rounders more than their 1st round picks.
Now do you really believe that?

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I'm not sure how this works, but couldn't Detroit offer him a long contract with a $92 million dollar check upon signing on the dotted line?

No way can Nashville come up with a $92 million dollar check the day he signs. Wouldn't that be the types of 'terms' Nashville would have to match?

That might be the loop-hole for Detroit.
This has been covered in another Weber thread, and it is my understanding that a player who signs an offer sheet is treated sort of like a player who was taken to arbitration. An extension cannot be negotiated until Jan 1 or later.

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Weber. has. to. agree. to. an. offer. sheet.

A team can't just "Offer sheet" Weber. He has to agree to it, screwing Nashville over terribly. Shea (very likely) won't do that to this team.

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Nashville would match it and thank the Wings for negotiating a contract for them.
That's right. At this point, Weber is a must have for Nashville. I think they would pay him almost anything.

It's one year deal, extension or trade. No way an offer sheet goes down.

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Offer sheets are a useful tool for "B" level players who are probably getting lowballed by their team. They are not a tool for bonafide superstars.

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I'm not sure how this works, but couldn't Detroit offer him a long contract with a $92 million dollar check upon signing on the dotted line?

No way can Nashville come up with a $92 million dollar check the day he signs. Wouldn't that be the types of 'terms' Nashville would have to match?

That might be the loop-hole for Detroit.
a) That would seem really risky. Not to reurgitate what others have said in the Crosby thread, but what if Weber gets a career ending injury within the first year? Even if he retires and even with insurance, you are alreadys out the signing bonus.

b) You'd have to make the salary in subsequent years stupidly low to achieve a manageable cap hit. Pretty sure that's not gonna fly with the league.

c) They should really put a cap on the signing bonus, if they are going to keep allowing them. Like a certain percentage of the contract value and not more.

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Nashville would match it and thank the Wings for negotiating a contract for them.
Which is why you propose one year at $14M and make him virtually impossible to trade.

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Which is why you propose one year at $14M and make him virtually impossible to trade.
As has been mentioned several times, the CBA negotiations are going to be centered around contract length, among other things. Why would Weber sign a one year deal? He would not be able to negotiate an extension until January 1, and it's very likely that a new CBA will be in place by then.

Basically, if Weber wants to maximize the length of his next contract he needs to sign it sooner rather than later, and signing a one year deal will likely make it to where he is unable to sign anything longer than a 7-10 year deal rather than a 13-15 year deal that he is almost certainly seeking. After all, Suter got 13 years. Why wouldn't Weber go for something as long or longer to ensure he never has to go through contract negotiations again?

As far as simply proposing the one-year offer sheet making him virtually impossible to trade, how so? If he doesn't sign it then it has no affect on anything. If he does sign it and Nashville matches he isn't "virtually impossible to trade". He is impossible to trade. If he signs it and Nashville walks then he won't be traded anyway, and even if Detroit wanted to no one would take on that amount of money for a rental. I'm not sure what you're going for here.

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07-14-2012, 06:55 PM
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Holland would never do it as he is just not that kind of GM, but Poile is bluffing to an extent as far as matching an offer sheet. The preds already had to take $7.5 million in loans last year to cover expenses/salaries. A heavily front loaded contract could easily Bankrupt the organization and I'm sure poile is not oblivious to that fact, which is also reflected in the relatively modest offer he made to Suter. If Weber signs and Nashville does not match, the wings will lock up a franchise defensman man long term. If Nashville does match it will either drive them into bankruptcy where they will likely be relocated, or they will have to strip the rest of their roster to get expenses under control. In either case it would be a win, win for Detroit.

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