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07-14-2012, 01:21 PM
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Would a second work stoppage help the Sens?

Last time there was a work stoppage, the Sens were torn apart. Prior to the lockout, the team itself had been built to compete immediately. It was one of the best teams in the league. Our roster's cornerstones: Redden, Chara, Havlat, Hossa, Alfredsson, Spezza, Volchenkov, Phillips, Schaefer, Fisher, Neil, Vermette, White, Bonk etc.. were all young or in the prime of their careers. The team was well coached and would have been one of the favourites to win the cup during the lockout season. A year of competition while the old Sens were at their best was lost.

When a season was lost, the Sens' also lost their ability to retain and sign their star players. Few teams were as severely crippled by the new rules as the Senators. Not only were we unable to retain our own players, many of them immediately entered their last years of Restricted Free Agency. The Sens were thus forced into difficult decisions in the next few off seasons. White, Bonk and Hossa were lost immediately. Although the trades worked out in the short term, the Sens were still forced to move additional players to stay under the cap each consecutive season. Schaefer, Pothier, Havlat, Meszaros, Vermette, and Chara were all either lost to Free Agency or Traded because of the cap. This all took place IMMEDIATELY after the Sens had finally been purchased from bankruptcy by an owner willing to spend money to keep the team together.

Now, again, the NHL is entering a labour dispute, but the Senators are in a much different situation this time. Again, we have a young core, but this time the Senators have a team that is not yet ready for prime time.

In your opinion, would a work stoppage help or hurt this Senators team (as it compares to the other NHL franchises in general) and why?

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I'm pretty sure the proposed five year ELCs would not be retroactive, and therefore wouldn't effect existing contracts. So it wouldn't help us out that much. That said, the 10-years of RFA status definitely would help out.

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a work stoppage doesn't help anyone.

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Silly question. The answer is no it would not help at all.

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Only if you vastly overrate our prospect pool and expect every single player to live up to the absolute max of their potential.

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Assuming the work stoppage covers a whole season, does that take a year off someones contract?

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A better CBA might help Ottawa, but a work stoppage most certainly would hurt everyone.



Pointing out the obvious before someone else does.

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Wouldn't we have had Hasek the year of the 2004-05 lockout as well?

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Wouldn't we have had Hasek the year of the 2004-05 lockout as well?
We would've had the cup.

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We would've had the cup.
whats the difference between 2004-05 and 2005-06? Didn't win in 2006

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whats the difference between 2004-05 and 2005-06? Didn't win in 2006
Hasek doesn't go to the Olympics in 2006.

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Hasek doesn't go to the Olympics in 2006.
Then he gets hurt in the NHL instead. Nobody knows what would have happened.

And the team played like complete crap against the Sabrés, and in general down the stretch if I'm not mistaken. Not just Emery.

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And the team played like complete crap against the Sabrés
Eh, not really. Ottawa outshot and outchanced Buffalo throughout the series, but Miller stood on his head.

Besides, even if 2005 goes down the way that 2006 did, that means we go into 2006 with Hasek backed up by Emery with an extra year of his development behind him (i.e. 2007 Emery not 2006 Emery).

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Eh, not really. Ottawa outshot and outchanced Buffalo throughout the series, but Miller stood on his head.

Besides, even if 2005 goes down the way that 2006 did, that means we go into 2006 with Hasek backed up by Emery with an extra year of his development behind him (i.e. 2007 Emery not 2006 Emery).
Because Emery was sitting on his ass in 2005?

Hasek signed a 1 year deal in 2004. If 2004-05 went like 2005-06, he wouldn't have been back.

Look, the Sens could have won the cup in 2005, but they were favorites in 2006 too and look how that turned out is all I'm sayin

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Then he gets hurt in the NHL instead. Nobody knows what would have happened.
He wouldn't have gone to the Olympics, where he was hurt while playing in borrowed equipment. His equipment was lost on the flight. This wouldn't have happened during the NHL season.

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He wouldn't have gone to the Olympics, where he was hurt while playing in borrowed equipment. His equipment was lost on the flight. This wouldn't have happened during the NHL season.
Yeah cause they only have buses in the NHL.



Also, you're reaching here. In the 2003–04 season, Hašek injured his groin after playing just 14 games. Equipment? C'mon, that proves he was fragile.

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He played the majority of the season without incident. The Sens looked unstoppable that year, having another year looking unstoppable with Hossa instead of Heatley would have been killer. Robbed by the lockout.

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He played the majority of the season without incident. The Sens looked unstoppable that year, having another year looking unstoppable with Hossa instead of Heatley would have been killer. Robbed by the lockout.
Just no. Not robbed. Robbed of an opportunity maybe, just like 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, etc were opportunities.

Heatley >= Hossa and Heatley played a position of need, LW. Not a huge difference if at all. You can't bank on Hasek. Wasn't even close to a slam dunk.

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Yeah cause they only have buses in the NHL.



Also, you're reaching here. In the 2003–04 season, Hašek injured his groin after playing just 14 games. Equipment? C'mon, that proves he was fragile.
He's the one reaching?

You're the one saying Hasek was destined to injure his groin in his only season here - be it 04/05 or 05/06 - and that he'd never re-sign with us beyond playing a single season here.

Although I do agree that we weren't guaranteed a Cup in 05 - just that it certainly was a major opportunity lost.

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He's the one reaching?

You're the one saying Hasek was destined to injure his groin in his only season here - be it 04/05 or 05/06 - and that he'd never re-sign with us beyond playing a single season here.

Although I do agree that we weren't guaranteed a Cup in 05 - just that it certainly was a major opportunity lost.
Dude, he injured his groin in 2003-04 and 2005-06. Saying he would be injured in 2004-05 is not even close to being as big a reach as saying he was injured due to equipment.

Obviously it's not sure thing he would be hurt. But you just can't say the cup was a sure thing in 2005 because the team had Hasek (that's what I have an issue with). He was injury risk and hadn't played in 2 seasons.

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No it won't. I think if anything it'll hurt a lot of teams as a lot of fans may give up on the game if they have another lockout.

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No it won't. I think if anything it'll hurt a lot of teams as a lot of fans may give up on the game if they have another lockout.
it would hurt the southern teams more then any other market.

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It would seem the last lockout Expo'd us out of a great chance at the Cup. Although most fans at the time supported it thinking the result would be to save us from the terrible fate of losing one UFA (Yashin) over a 10 year period, for a great return.

Now all the big markets are winning and attracting all the top ufa's on long term contracts. It's alleged, although unproven, that the very linkage fought for is now forcing small markets to spend more than they can afford.

The NHL is at wits end. They have punished those under-performing teams for 3 years by steadily reducing the amount they can get in revenue sharing to send a message. And now they have no choice but to lockout players to claw back salaries again in order to be able to give these struggling big markets revenue sharing. What else can they do?

The problem in the last cba was that salary expenses were spiralling out of control. Now that they have cost certainty, the problem is that revenues are spiralling out of control. It's only logical that players take another 20% pay cut to help out.

And it should be noted, nowhere are the owners even trying to convince us this is needed. It's simply because they can. They have the power and the leverage, the lawyers, guns, and money, and it would be foolish of them as businessmen not to wield this power ruthlessly.

However, only a poodle of a fan would support them on such a blatantly naked greed grab.


Its not going to help development of some of our young players. And if they are forced to play most of the year in the AHL other players being pushed out will suffer. Good bye alfie, hope you were able to pass on some good advice to Jason who has now taken a spot on the players negotiating team.

It will though not hurt a majority of owners who struggle to sell tickets during Septembers other american sports season. Obviously they arent worried about it or they wouldnt be bracing for a lockout.

A majority of owners may actually benefit from a lockout. They are after all fighting over $3 billion dollars over the next 7 years. That's a lot of scratch. No one else benefits from it though.

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whats the difference between 2004-05 and 2005-06? Didn't win in 2006
Varada - Spezza - Hossa
Smolinski - White - Alfredsson
Schaefer - Fisher - Havlat
Vermette - Kelly - Neil

Chara - Phillips
De Vries - Redden
Lechychyn - Pothier
Volchenkov

Hasek
Prusek

That is just such a sick looking team… to bad we never got to watch it

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Varada - Spezza - Hossa
Smolinski - White - Alfredsson
Schaefer - Fisher - Havlat
Vermette - Kelly - Neil

Chara - Phillips
De Vries - Redden
Lechychyn - Pothier
Volchenkov

Hasek
Prusek

That is just such a sick looking team… to bad we never got to watch it
Hossa --> Heatley
De Vries, Leschy --> Meszaros, Volchenkov
Prusek --> Emery

No White (by choice)

Similar if not better team in 2005-06.

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