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07-15-2012, 12:58 PM
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Crazy enough, I could see him as a good fit for the Ducks.

Gomez for Cogliano.

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07-15-2012, 12:59 PM
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Boston Receives

PK Subban

Alex galchenyuk

Scott Gomez

Montreal Receives

Tyler Seguin

Dougie Hamilton

the worst part is that this is the most reasonable offer i've seen in this thread... maybe add a 6th coming back from the Bruins (it'd be.. nice.. but then we'd have to hear it for years about Boston fleecing us when Gomez turns out to a be a decent top9 for them)

(RLY RLY.. i mean it.. Gomez/Lucic would be a great combo.. Gomez gets the zone and takes one of his worthless shots but instead of being the end of the play, Lucic would crash the net and then facewash the d and start some scrum leading to a bruins pp cuz the refs are like that)

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07-15-2012, 01:17 PM
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Crazy enough, I could see him as a good fit for the Ducks.

Gomez for Cogliano.
I'd take that in a heartbeat from the Habs.

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Alex galchenyuk

Scott Gomez

Montreal Receives

Tyler Seguin

Dougie Hamilton

That proposal makes me equally happy and equally sad.

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Crazy enough, I could see him as a good fit for the Ducks.

Gomez for Cogliano.
Bergevin should/would do this in a heartbeat. Holy cow.

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07-15-2012, 05:05 PM
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Boston Receives

PK Subban

Alex galchenyuk

Scott Gomez

Montreal Receives

Tyler Seguin

Dougie Hamilton

LOL

Good one!

Good thing you're not Boston's cap specialist!!

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07-15-2012, 06:45 PM
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The habs need to bribe other teams to take Gomez.
You know how I know - simple - because he hasn't been traded yet and some fans have been complaining for years about his contract. Sorry if truth hurts.
How can a guy from Toronto not understand English?!?!? The Habs do NOT need to BRIBE anyone, they can bury him in the minors without losing the blue chip #3 overall pick they just chose to become their future franchise center.

Seriously, would Toronto trade Rielly and Komisarek to Montreal for our 2nd round pick in 2013? Wow, I truly wish you were GM of Toronto if your answer is a "yes". Somehow I doubt you will say "yes", and then won't understand the comparison...sigh...

You didn't say anything that was true enough to hurt, you simply said something absurd beyond belief by assuming the Habs need to give up Galchenyuk to get rid of Gomez. Yes, Habs fans have complained about the Gomez contract. No we do not have to bribe anyone to take it. The AHL exists and Gomez does not have a NMC. We deport Gomez, we keep Galchenyuk. Another option: we keep Gomez and keep Galchenyuk. We still have $6 million under the cap so why the rush to trade Gomez anyway???

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07-15-2012, 06:47 PM
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Crazy enough, I could see him as a good fit for the Ducks.

Gomez for Cogliano.
I can't stand Cogliano and I would take that as a Habs fan with a smile. Heck, feeling generous, I would throw in a 5th round pick to make certain the Ducks don't yell "April Fool's" at us when we agree.

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07-15-2012, 07:12 PM
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I can't stand Cogliano and I would take that as a Habs fan with a smile. Heck, feeling generous, I would throw in a 5th round pick to make certain the Ducks don't yell "April Fool's" at us when we agree.
If only this could ever happen

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07-15-2012, 07:30 PM
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How can a guy from Toronto not understand English?!?!? The Habs do NOT need to BRIBE anyone, they can bury him in the minors without losing the blue chip #3 overall pick they just chose to become their future franchise center.

Seriously, would Toronto trade Rielly and Komisarek to Montreal for our 2nd round pick in 2013? Wow, I truly wish you were GM of Toronto if your answer is a "yes". Somehow I doubt you will say "yes", and then won't understand the comparison...sigh...

You didn't say anything that was true enough to hurt, you simply said something absurd beyond belief by assuming the Habs need to give up Galchenyuk to get rid of Gomez. Yes, Habs fans have complained about the Gomez contract. No we do not have to bribe anyone to take it. The AHL exists and Gomez does not have a NMC. We deport Gomez, we keep Galchenyuk. Another option: we keep Gomez and keep Galchenyuk. We still have $6 million under the cap so why the rush to trade Gomez anyway???
Than why are some hab fans trying to trade Gomez?
Maybe you need to direct your insights at those fans.

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07-15-2012, 07:40 PM
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Than why are some hab fans trying to trade Gomez?
Maybe you need to direct your insights at those fans.
Yes, there are Habs fans who would like to trade Gomez (I am one of them!).

No, there is not a single Habs fan who is stupid enough to include Galchenyuk as a throw in to trade Gomez.

I am directing my "insights" to you because you are the only person who seems to think we need to add a significant piece to get rid of Gomez. We do not. Either we find a cap floor team who can offer us a 7th for Gomez, or we send him to the AHL or we keep him. We do NOT have to add Galchenyuk to a dumping of Gomez, it is the most foolish idea ever posed as a "solution" to the supposed Gomez problem. How is this so difficult for you to understand? Again, would you add Rielly to Komisarek to get a 2nd round pick? Think about it and get back to me.

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07-15-2012, 07:45 PM
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Yes, there are Habs fans who would like to trade Gomez (I am one of them!).

No, there is not a single Habs fan who is stupid enough to include Galchenyuk as a throw in to trade Gomez.

I am directing my "insights" to you because you are the only person who seems to think we need to add a significant piece to get rid of Gomez. We do not. Either we find a cap floor team who can offer us a 7th for Gomez, or we send him to the AHL or we keep him. We do NOT have to add Galchenyuk to a dumping of Gomez, it is the most foolish idea ever posed as a "solution" to the supposed Gomez problem. How is this so difficult for you to understand? Again, would you add Rielly to Komisarek to get a 2nd round pick? Think about it and get back to me.
Yes you need to add Galch if you want to trade him to leafs.
If you don't like the deal than move on.

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07-15-2012, 07:51 PM
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Yes you need to add Galch if you want to trade him to leafs.
If you don't like the deal than move on.
What I am trying to get across is that the Habs would laugh long and hard WHILE moving on. We don't "want" to trade him to the Leafs, we simply want to be rid of him. If the cost of moving him is Galchenyuk, we keep him with a smile or dump him in the minors. Have you realized there aren't ANY Habs fans, not a single solitary one of all the ones who hate Gomez, that are agreeing with you? Please, think about it while YOU move on and realize it is a pipe dream. At leat you are avoiding my Rielly+Komisarek for a 2nd comparable nicely enough...

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07-15-2012, 07:53 PM
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What I am trying to get across is that the Habs would laugh long and hard WHILE moving on. We don't "want" to trade him to the Leafs, we simply want to be rid of him. If the cost of moving him is Galchenyuk, we keep him with a smile or dump him in the minors. Have you realized there aren't ANY Habs fans, not a single solitary one of all the ones who hate Gomez, that are agreeing with you? Please, think about it while YOU move on and realize it is a pipe dream. At leat you are avoiding my Rielly+Komisarek for a 2nd comparable nicely enough...
Fine put Gomez in the minors. But I have been hearing that for the last two years.
If there is a pipe dream anywhere - it is right there.

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Gomez for Crosby++

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07-15-2012, 08:22 PM
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Yes you need to add Galch if you want to trade him to leafs.
If you don't like the deal than move on.
No, we don't need to add Galchenyuk to offset the cost of trading Gomez.

A trade involving Komisarek and Kadri isn't going to include the 3rd overall pick.

Maybe it's time you joined the real world because no one here has any intention of joining you in your world.

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07-15-2012, 09:16 PM
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No, we don't need to add Galchenyuk to offset the cost of trading Gomez.

A trade involving Komisarek and Kadri isn't going to include the 3rd overall pick.

Maybe it's time you joined the real world because no one here has any intention of joining you in your world.
Why not? Look at some of Burke's trades
JVR (2nd overall) was acquired for Schenn (5th overall)
Phaneuf (9th overall) was acquired for players none higher than a second rounder.
Lupul (7th overall) + Gardiner (17th overall) for Beauchimen (third rounder)
Ashton (29th overall) was acquired for a Aulie (fourth rounder)
Colborne (16th overall) + first round pick + 2nd round pick were acquired for Kaberle (eight rounder)

Maybe it's time some people joined the real world because clearly they don't understand how GMs use leverage to trade.

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Why not? Look at some of Burke's trades
JVR (2nd overall) was acquired for Schenn (5th overall)
Phaneuf (9th overall) was acquired for players none higher than a second rounder.
Lupul (7th overall) + Gardiner (17th overall) for Beauchimen (third rounder)
Ashton (29th overall) was acquired for a Aulie (fourth rounder)
Colborne (16th overall) + first round pick + 2nd round pick were acquired for Kaberle (eight rounder)

Maybe it's time some people joined the real world because clearly they don't understand how GMs use leverage to trade.
Where in the hell do you see any cap dumps + top prospects in any of those deals????

If anything I see struggling young players with high upsides being traded for either proven vets who are struggling or unproven prospects with upside or equally struggling young playeers...

Lol your post makes no sense when you quoted the other stating we need to add Galch to get rid of Gomez...

WHERE in any of those trades do you see a top prospect being added to dump a player... I DONT!

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Why not? Look at some of Burke's trades
JVR (2nd overall) was acquired for Schenn (5th overall)
Phaneuf (9th overall) was acquired for players none higher than a second rounder.
Lupul (7th overall) + Gardiner (17th overall) for Beauchimen (third rounder)
Ashton (29th overall) was acquired for a Aulie (fourth rounder)
Colborne (16th overall) + first round pick + 2nd round pick were acquired for Kaberle (eight rounder)

Maybe it's time some people joined the real world because clearly they don't understand how GMs use leverage to trade.
If Galchenyuk disappoints like Lupul, Schen or JVR over a 3 or 4 year timespan maybe we'll look at trading him but not before then. Gomez's contract will expire before then so the trade isn't going to happen.

Those trades have nothing to do with leverage and everything to do with moving out some unproductive or disappointing pieces while they still have value.

Pretty much every year there is a player taken between 2nd and 6th overall who ends up being traded because they just aren't that good or they wore out their welcome. Players like Pouliot, Turris, Heatley and Filatov are just a few examples.

Instead of making up garbage that doesn't jibe with reality why don't you join us in the real world.

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If Galchenyuk disappoints like Lupul, Schen or JVR over a 3 or 4 year timespan maybe we'll look at trading him but not before then. Gomez's contract will expire before then so the trade isn't going to happen.

Those trades have nothing to do with leverage and everything to do with moving out some unproductive or disappointing pieces while they still have value.

Pretty much every year there is a player taken between 2nd and 6th overall who ends up being traded because they just aren't that good or they wore out their welcome. Players like Pouliot, Turris, Heatley and Filatov are just a few examples.

Instead of making up garbage that doesn't jibe with reality why don't you join us in the real world.

Sure they involve leverage. Just to make this simple enough for you to understand, in your example Lupul was a salary dump and Gardiner was the bribe. In the other example that seems to upset you, Gomez is the salary dump.

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Sure they involve leverage. Just to make this simple enough for you to understand, in your example Lupul was a salary dump and Gardiner was the bribe. In the other example that seems to upset you, Gomez is the salary dump.
Lupul was a salary dump at the time.

He had a track record of disappointing everywhere he went.

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Sure they involve leverage. Just to make this simple enough for you to understand, in your example Lupul was a salary dump and Gardiner was the bribe. In the other example that seems to upset you, Gomez is the salary dump.
We're not trading Galchenyuk and Gomez for Kadri and Komisarek, period.

If it's such a great idea you should be able to find a single, solitary Hab fan that agrees with you and your idea for a trade.

Supposedly, it's a fair trade, one that makes sense for both teams.

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Why not? Look at some of Burke's trades
JVR (2nd overall) was acquired for Schenn (5th overall)
Phaneuf (9th overall) was acquired for players none higher than a second rounder.
Lupul (7th overall) + Gardiner (17th overall) for Beauchimen (third rounder)
Ashton (29th overall) was acquired for a Aulie (fourth rounder)
Colborne (16th overall) + first round pick + 2nd round pick were acquired for Kaberle (eight rounder)

Maybe it's time some people joined the real world because clearly they don't understand how GMs use leverage to trade.
Burke has no leverage in your attempt to get Galchenyuk and Gomez for Kadri and Komisarek. We do not need to trade Gomez to get rid of his cap hit. Why are you incapable of understanding this? There is no benefit to the Habs that is worth sacrificing Galchenyuk for Komi and Kadri just to get rid of Gomez. Heck, Montreal wouldn't do Gomez for Komisarek straight up, most likely. At least Gomez never scores against his own team!

I will be generous though, we will take Komisarek and Rielly from you for Kaberle. That is fair using your logic, right? The leverage Bergevin has is that Kaberle produces goals for his team while Komi scores half as many goals against his team as he does for it.

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Lupul was a salary dump at the time.

He had a track record of disappointing everywhere he went.
I agree and the leafs got lucky with Lupul as most were expecting him to stagnate. Lupul's turnaround would be like if Gomez was traded to another team and he rediscovered his offensive game.

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Burke has no leverage in your attempt to get Galchenyuk and Gomez for Kadri and Komisarek. We do not need to trade Gomez to get rid of his cap hit. Why are you incapable of understanding this? There is no benefit to the Habs that is worth sacrificing Galchenyuk for Komi and Kadri just to get rid of Gomez. Heck, Montreal wouldn't do Gomez for Komisarek straight up, most likely. At least Gomez never scores against his own team!

I will be generous though, we will take Komisarek and Rielly from you for Kaberle. That is fair using your logic, right? The leverage Bergevin has is that Kaberle produces goals for his team while Komi scores half as many goals against his team as he does for it.
Thanks but it makes more sense to buyout Komisarek next year.
And if you still want him you can resign him at that time.

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Thanks but it makes more sense to buyout Komisarek next year.
And if you still want him you can resign him at that time.
So you are able to tell the difference between what is and isn't a stupid trade.

Hopefully, you can apply this newfound wisdom when you post here in the future.

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