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07-15-2012, 07:25 PM
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In order to be privy to that info, your source would have to work within the organization, and by that, I mean pretty close to the situation in the organization.

That wouldn't be inside sources?
No, it isn't. I don't know nothing beside that Deschamps was the next call up.

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I can't see his skill set? I guess your an expert, you have seen him play more than me and that I don't know nothing about hockey.

Deschamps is REALLY underrated.

Was a very early 2nd round pick(35th overall) in 2008.
Scoring leader in the QMJHL in 2009/10 (tied with Sean Couturier).
Pretty decent first pro season last year(80-15-31-46).
Since he's with the Marlies, he's one of their best forward(Regular season: 40-7-23-30)(Playoffs:17-3-9-12). Also had a 5 points night in the regular season.

So Deschamps made a lot of thing that show us that he has top 6 upside offensively (High draft pick, scoring leader in the QMJHL, decent first pro season, one of the best forward on his AHL team on one of the best team in the league (Marlies), a 5 points night in the AHL, etc).

And if he doesn't make it as a top 6 forward (more likely), he can become a good 3rd liner/bottom 6er. He's fast, good two-way game and good defensively, backcheck, work hard, he's big, finish his checks, etc. Will also bring some offense to the bottom six.

Very solid prospects.

PS: Deschamps was the next call up if we didn't acquired Ashton. Yeah, people will tell me that it's not true and that I'm not an insider. I don't care, don't believe me if you don't want, believe me I if you want.
This past season was his 2nd pro (AHL season) and his regular season offensive numbers actually slightly declined from his 1st season. For a top NHL 6 hopeful his AHL numbers are extremely underwhelming. Players who make it as legitimate top 6ers in the NHL are usually at or around ppg AHL players in their 1st season or at least by their 2nd season. There are exceptions but it isn't the norm.

As far as throwing in the name of Couturier. It is completely different leading the league in points before your draft year and as a 19 year old.

Deschamps is very much a longshot prospect.

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This past season was his 2nd pro (AHL season) and his regular season offensive numbers actually slightly declined from his 1st season. For a top NHL 6 hopeful his AHL numbers are extremely underwhelming. Players who make it as legitimate top 6ers in the NHL are usually at or around ppg AHL players in their 1st season or at least by their 2nd season. There are exceptions but it isn't the norm.

As far as throwing in the name of Couturier. It is completely different leading the league in points before your draft year and as a 19 year old.

Deschamps is very much a longshot prospect.

His numbers were awful with the Crunch this year. I meant his stats with the Marlies.

And I didn't bring the name of Couturier because I compared them, I know that Couturier is in another class (Couturier is my favorite player btw). I just wanted to say that he was tied for the QMJHL scoring leader.

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Yeah, I agree with that.

Playing in the AHL as a top six forward next year will be better for his development than playing in the NHL in a bottom six role.
Thats where I see him as well.

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07-15-2012, 07:42 PM
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you don't have to prove anything. especially to this spiteful/jealous bunch. you still make a good case for why Deschamps will be an NHLer some day.

it's cool.

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QMJHLfollower,

you don't have to prove anything. especially to this spiteful/jealous bunch. you still make a good case for why Deschamps will be an NHLer some day.

it's cool.
Technically, you can talk all the nonsense you want, and don't have to back any of it up. That's the choice of the individual.

However, when you try to have a conversation with someone, and aren't able to/refuse to back up your points, it's your credibility and name that gets associated with it.

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QMJHLfollower,

you don't have to prove anything. especially to this spiteful/jealous bunch. you still make a good case for why Deschamps will be an NHLer some day.

it's cool.
Thanks.

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Technically, you can talk all the nonsense you want, and don't have to back any of it up. That's the choice of the individual.

However, when you try to have a conversation with someone, and aren't able to/refuse to back up your points, it's your credibility and name that gets associated with it.

Like I said, I don't care, don't believe me if you don't want, believe me I if you want.

I'm not here to troll and to invent information, I just said what I heard.

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Technically, you can talk all the nonsense you want, and don't have to back any of it up. That's the choice of the individual.

However, when you try to have a conversation with someone, and aren't able to/refuse to back up your points, it's your credibility and name that gets associated with it.
not when you consider the context.

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not when you consider the context.
I wasn't specifically targetting that situation, at all.

He may have a source, and if he chooses not to follow steps for validation or proving it, that's his perogative.

I was saying in general, people can talk all the garbage they want, as this isn't university, or somewhere you have to actually prove what you're saying with valid facts and insights.

But at the end of the day, people lose a large audience by doing so, because people generally don't want to read nonsense.

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07-15-2012, 07:53 PM
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No chance Deschamps makes it.

The only way he makes it is as a top-6 forward and he's nowhere near that at the NHL level, yet. He's a project who's coming along nicely, though. Remember he's only 21(?) or something like that.

D'Amigo definitely earned a reasonable shot at making the big team this year with his playoff performance. I don't see him making it full time this season, but he'll definitely get spot duty.

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His numbers were awful with the Crunch this year. I meant his stats with the Marlies.

And I didn't bring the name of Couturier because I compared them, I know that Couturier is in another class (Couturier is my favorite player btw). I just wanted to say that he was tied for the QMJHL scoring leader.
The big question I have about Deschamps making the top 6 in the NHL is his goal scoring finish. He hasn't broke 20 goals, he hasn't dominated offensively in AHL nor has made a case even get into the marlies top 6. For some comparison, Deschamp is behind Poni AHL numbers at this point though if I recall Poni got top 6 competition/minutes rather than a third line check role. Deschamp also has fewer goals than Dupuis his linemate in the AHL (but he does have more assists). This is the goal less Dupuis in the NHL for the leafs.

That said, Deschamps is a good 2 way forward and decent player maker but very little finish. And so unless he is late bloomer offensively or is paired with another forward with finish, the lack of his offensive output will always limit his desireability as a bottom 6 forward. I expect him to top out as a bottom 6 role player - say as memorable as a Boyce or Hanson.

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The big question I have about Deschamps making the top 6 in the NHL is his goal scoring finish. He hasn't broke 20 goals, he hasn't dominated offensively in AHL nor has made a case even get into the marlies top 6. For some comparison, Deschamp is behind Poni AHL numbers at this point though if I recall Poni got top 6 competition/minutes rather than a third line check role. Deschamp also has fewer goals than Dupuis his linemate in the AHL (but he does have more assists). This is the goal less Dupuis in the NHL for the leafs.

That said, Deschamps is a good 2 way forward and decent player maker but very little finish. And so unless he is late bloomer offensively or is paired with another forward with finish, the lack of his offensive output will always limit his desireability as a bottom 6 forward. I expect him to top out as a bottom 6 role player - say as memorable as a Boyce or Hanson.
I agree that he'll most likely top out as a bottom six forward, but a regular one IMO.

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07-15-2012, 08:37 PM
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Should we (the leafs board) reconsider the ticker at the top of the screen?

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I agree that he'll most likely top out as a bottom six forward, but a regular one IMO.
I wouldn't count on it. Once you get down to the bottom 6 spots usually 2 or 3 of those guys are specialists. Like McClement and Steckel for faceoffs/penalty killing and at least one guy who fights (Brown and Rosehill/Orr).

I don't see him or D'Amigo as ever being good enough to play on the first 2 lines.

So that leaves him essentially making it as a third liner. The thing is Toronto already has Kulemin and Frattin occupying one if not both of those spots at the NHL level. Then add in Colborne competing for winger spots # 5 and 6 plus McKegg. Ross, Ashton and soon Biggs are also in the discussion and all of them play a more abrasive style and will fight on occassion which are very desired qualities. Then another draft will add more guys in the pipeline and you should see the odds are very stacked against both D'Amigo and Deschamps.

If either hope to make it as an NHL regular they'll probably have to become some kind of specialist like Dupuis did as a PK specialist but what a trainwreck he was for the Leafs though.

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I wouldn't count on it. Once you get down to the bottom 6 spots usually 2 or 3 of those guys are specialists. Like McClement and Steckel for faceoffs/penalty killing and at least one guy who fights (Brown and Rosehill/Orr).

I don't see him or D'Amigo as ever being good enough to play on the first 2 lines.

So that leaves him essentially making it as a third liner. The thing is Toronto already has Kulemin and Frattin occupying one if not both of those spots at the NHL level. Then add in Colborne competing for winger spots # 5 and 6 plus McKegg. Ross, Ashton and soon Biggs are also in the discussion and all of them play a more abrasive style and will fight on occassion which are very desired qualities. Then another draft will add more guys in the pipeline and you should see the odds are very stacked against both D'Amigo and Deschamps.

If either hope to make it as an NHL regular they'll probably have to become some kind of specialist like Dupuis did as a PK specialist but what a trainwreck he was for the Leafs though.
Personally I like Deschamps all-around game on a 3rd line. We'll see I guess.

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I was thinking more Scott, than Deschamps.

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neither will play more than 80 career nhl games

D'amigo is gonna play at least 10 seasons in the NHL

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Are they good enough to play in NHL the upcoming season? They have been fantastic with the Marlies.


With their hardworking style they fit on 3rd and 4rd line.
Think Ashton is a lot closer to making the team than either D'amigo or Deschamps. Eakins thinks all he needs is experience.

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Think Ashton is a lot closer to making the team than either D'amigo or Deschamps. Eakins thinks all he needs is experience.
I think he should stay in the AHL to work on his offense. Defensively and Physically he is ready but he still has to learn how to score in the PRO level.

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At this point I see Nicolas Deschamps being nothing more than a depth forward, but his two way ability is going to make him more appealing then other depth forwards.

He has the potential ceiling of a top 6 forward or top 9 forward but I don't think he will reach it (let's hope I am wrong).

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I seen alot of marlie games last year and what I think of D'Amigo is he is always in motion never stops, works hard, but get's knocked of the puck. Defensively he can cause the other side to cough up the puck with his relentess forecheck, but can't do much with the puck when he gets it. It's like he need more size and strength, grows a great playoff beard. Not sure if he can make it work in the biggies, hope he can. Possibly on a checking line and PK he could be effective.

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I'm sure they'll both get a look in training camp. D'Amigo is the kind of player we need on our 3rd or 4th lines. Plays a good tw-way game, hits, is on the puck like a dog on a bone.....
Hope he makes it!

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Like I said, I don't care, don't believe me if you don't want, believe me I if you want.

I'm not here to troll and to invent information, I just said what I heard.
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not when you consider the context.
Saying, "I heard he was going to be the next call-up, has a different context than, "He was going to be the next call-up."

I know the difference is subtle, but it is different. Isn't the logical question, who did you hear it from? It isn't like a call-up is putting a player on the trading block, or targetting a free agent while he's still under contract. I've heard several times, the coach of the AHL club identifies the players who deserve call-ups, because they see them game in game out, practice in practice out, off the ice, et cetera.

I remember here in Calgary last year there were players slated to be the next AHL call-up, and then Feaster went and called up Bartschi. Who scored 3 goals in 5 games ...

So although some AHL players were supposed to be the next call-up, it never happened.

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Saying, "I heard he was going to be the next call-up, has a different context than, "He was going to be the next call-up."

I know the difference is subtle, but it is different. Isn't the logical question, who did you hear it from? It isn't like a call-up is putting a player on the trading block, or targetting a free agent while he's still under contract. I've heard several times, the coach of the AHL club identifies the players who deserve call-ups, because they see them game in game out, practice in practice out, off the ice, et cetera.

I remember here in Calgary last year there were players slated to be the next AHL call-up, and then Feaster went and called up Bartschi. Who scored 3 goals in 5 games ...

So although some AHL players were supposed to be the next call-up, it never happened.
that's not what i meant.

"context" as in posting on a messageboard comprised of (from what i can tell) high schoolers and obsessive fans. certainly a lot of anonymous people talking about the leafs for the most part. if the same statement was made in a large media outlet it wouldn't fly.

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