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07-14-2012, 12:55 PM
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Perhaps it bears repeating that Wellwood had more points than Little last year, nearly as many as Ladd and has always been a good +/- player, better than most of the Jets forwards.
No, he won't be part of our Stanley Cup team, but he may well help us make the playoffs, by giving us stability and production when others are slumping or injured...and while waiting for the young uns to mature.
For the price, and for where the Jets are in their development, this was a very solid move.
He also puts up reasonable corsi numbers when you look at the advanced stats.

Even at 1.6mil he's a very good bang for buck signing.

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07-14-2012, 01:00 PM
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Good re-signing! Glad to hear he's back for another season.

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07-14-2012, 02:25 PM
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I wonder if Wellwood took one year again to motivate himself to have another career year? Work hard, prove that last year wasn't a fluke and sign a 3 or 4 year deal somewhere for more $$

I am in the camp that while I would have liked to have gotten another 'top 6' winger, that with the way our forward group is set up we are running a 'top 9' system. There might be a little less top end talent but we will end up with 3 lines that can score.

I'd rather have more diverse scoring through 3 lines. You are going to get more consistent scoring, it's better for coaching matchups, and it gives guys trying to break out in scoring roles more opportunity to play in that role as opposed to a limited 4th line plan. (Burmistrov, Scheifele).

I like our scoring depth right now. We were already 12th last year, and I think we really could be top 10 if Wheeler starts hot, Kane scores more consistently (40 is possible with some PP success), Wellwood holds strong, Burmistrov progresses, and Poni and Olli fit in. I know that is a lot of ifs, but I think our forwards, when you throw in Little, Miettenen, and a continued healthy Antro with his new friend, have a real good capacity for growth as a whole. It's not like all of our players peaked last year and played over their heads.

I am really satisfied if this is what we go into the season with. I would love to get another veteran physical shutdown type defenseman, but I think everyone in the league would.
I agree Jet.

I've been advocating the "top 9" system for the Jets for a long time. It's unlikely that we will be a max cap team every year, so creating a lineup that carries a few big contracts wouldn't allow us to build anything else around them.

Going with a balanced approach will allow us to build a competitive roster without the luxury of one or two superstars. And it allows us to do all the other things you mentioned (matchups, etc).

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07-14-2012, 02:32 PM
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My potential line ups:

1) No more UFA signings and Scheifele doesn't make the team:
Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Jokinen-Wellwood
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Miettinen-Slater-Thorburn

2) No more UFA signings but Scheifele makes the team:

Kane-Jokinen-Wheeler
Ladd-Scheifele-Little
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Wellwood-Slater-Thorburn

3) Another UFA signing (presumably top six RW) and Scheifele doesn't make the team:

Kane-Jokinen-UFA
Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Wellwood-Slater-Thorburn

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07-14-2012, 03:04 PM
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I agree Jet.

I've been advocating the "top 9" system for the Jets for a long time. It's unlikely that we will be a max cap team every year, so creating a lineup that carries a few big contracts wouldn't allow us to build anything else around them.

Going with a balanced approach will allow us to build a competitive roster without the luxury of one or two superstars. And it allows us to do all the other things you mentioned (matchups, etc).
Given that it may be difficult to attract the big name stars, going with a well balanced top 9 setup (as the Bruins did when they won the cup) is probably the best plan of action. 3 lines that the opposition has to worry about regarding scoring, with no one to really key on.

I think it would do wonders for working prospects into the line-up as well - 2nd or 3rd line could be their in, instead of the more gritty 4th which wouldn't be very well suited to guys like Telegin or Scheifele (or any other player who's upside is ultimately in the top 6).

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07-14-2012, 06:36 PM
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My potential line ups:

1) No more UFA signings and Scheifele doesn't make the team:
Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Jokinen-Wellwood
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Miettinen-Slater-Thorburn

2) No more UFA signings but Scheifele makes the team:

Kane-Jokinen-Wheeler
Ladd-Scheifele-Little
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Wellwood-Slater-Thorburn

3) Another UFA signing (presumably top six RW) and Scheifele doesn't make the team:

Kane-Jokinen-UFA
Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Poni-Burmi-Antro
Wellwood-Slater-Thorburn
I don't know if Wellwood would work all that well on a line with Slater and Thorburn. I wouldn't be surprised if we roll out with the former Maple Leaf line a few times this season.

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07-14-2012, 07:19 PM
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I don't know if Wellwood would work all that well on a line with Slater and Thorburn. I wouldn't be surprised if we roll out with the former Maple Leaf line a few times this season.
That's my hope as well. Those three have existing chemistry already, to me that makes the most sense.

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07-14-2012, 07:40 PM
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You need a lot of great two way play from centers to be successful in a top nine style system - burmistrov and little both have that ability. Hopefully Scheifele will be that third guy sometime in the near future.

If we get the cup contender-esque depth AROUND the centermen, that's what we should strive to be as a team IMO.

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07-14-2012, 10:42 PM
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i dont get the wellwood hate....how were we going to upgrade on a 50 point guy exactly?...we've got a whole lot of upgrading to do before we have to worry about the 50 point guys.

i dont see any of our AHL players scoring half that this year, given the chance.

good signing in my opinion...wish it was for 2 years to be honest, but I'll take 1.

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Not a fan of welly. That being said he is a decent guy to round out the bottom 6. Glad we got him at a decent price hopefully he can put up numbers like last year and not regress to his previous 5 seasons.

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Good money for him. This is the biggest contract in money-wise what Wellwood has ever signed. Also an important re-signing for the Jets. I assume that we aren't in Semin-race, if we ever have even been there.

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07-15-2012, 10:52 AM
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People have long said that Wellwood has an incredibly high on-ice hockey IQ, and that apparently he has a borderline genius take on the game itself. There is already talk that he'll make a great assistant coach after he retires for example.

Love what he has to say about the Jets here...

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"To have this out of the way and be able to come into an environment I already know and have some familiarity, I'm really excited," Wellwood said in a conference call from his home in Windsor, Ont. "I felt like it was a positive building year for me last year. Talking to Winnipeg before the signing (last year) I wasn't sure what kind of fit it was going to be for me, but for them to get (Alexei) Ponikarovsky, a big left winger who has got some skill, and adding (Olli) Jokinen up the middle I really got excited about coming to the team again and making a run at the playoffs.


"You get to be a free agent and you get to look at all the teams. I was looking at Winnipeg and they seem to really do some great things, they've got some great young players coming up and they've added a couple of pieces which we really needed, especially if we want to improve our road record which was our big downfall last year. Having the young guys coming up like (Spencer) Machacek and (Mark) Scheifele and some bigger D-men bodes well in the future, too."
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...162452556.html

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Good article... and I also like how he's talking about improving his conditioning to play more minutes, when needed.

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People have long said that Wellwood has an incredibly high on-ice hockey IQ, and that apparently he has a borderline genius take on the game itself. There is already talk that he'll make a great assistant coach after he retires for example.

Love what he has to say about the Jets here...

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...162452556.html
Hahaha I can see it now:
#teamwellyforcoach

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Good article... and I also like how he's talking about improving his conditioning to play more minutes, when needed.
Reading that kind of changed my mind about resigning him. Seems to be dedicated to making himself better and making the team better. I can't complain about that.

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Reading that kind of changed my mind about resigning him. Seems to be dedicated to making himself better and making the team better. I can't complain about that.
I agree. I think it was most likely a realization that:

1. He's small
2. He's getting older
3. He can't simply get by on skill anymore
4. His time to cash in is running out.
5. Thus, he's gotta get in better shape and be ready to play.

I think we'll see a strong season from him - he was offered a 2 year contract, which he turned down. Prior to this year, he wanted a longer term contract - I think he plans on going all out during this season to ramp up his value. IMHO.

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Meh. Not a wellwood fan, but term and salary is manageable.

I agree with Holden though, that I much rather the Jets allowed their young players to compete for a top 6 spot. Now they have Antro, Poni, Welly, Mittens all with expiring contracts - leading to UFA - at the end of the year. Or 1/3rd of your forwards. As I don't expect any of them back after this year. But the young players, who are close to making it - cormier, machacek, klingberg (??), scheifele (??) will likely have to wait another year.

First Chevy move I really have to question.
I understand wanting to get youngsters into the lineup, but I am also cool with waiting. The Jets are being very patient with their prospects and they are working hard to develop them the right way. It looks like the Detroit model for player development and I see nothing wrong with that.

For what its worth, I don't think Klingberg or Scheifele will be given serious consideration this year anyways.

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I understand wanting to get youngsters into the lineup, but I am also cool with waiting. The Jets are being very patient with their prospects and they are working hard to develop them the right way. It looks like the Detroit model for player development and I see nothing wrong with that.

For what its worth, I don't think Klingberg or Scheifele will be given serious consideration this year anyways.
My opinion is, if they weren't good enough to push them out of the top lines than they aren't ready to cut it anyways.
I like the idea of our top offensive prospects starting when ready on a strong second line while the lower tier more defensive do third/fourth.

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I agree. I think it was most likely a realization that:

1. He's small
2. He's getting older
3. He can't simply get by on skill anymore
4. His time to cash in is running out.
5. Thus, he's gotta get in better shape and be ready to play.

I think we'll see a strong season from him - he was offered a 2 year contract, which he turned down. Prior to this year, he wanted a longer term contract - I think he plans on going all out during this season to ramp up his value. IMHO.
Yea I agree with this and would add:

6. People can change when they become dad's. You have a baby that depends on you and it can become real pretty fast.

I like the article. Kyle takes ownership of the fact he was not fit enough to play more minutes last year and says he is working on getting in shape. that combined with him choosing a 1 year deal over a 2 year deal tells me he is going to have to eat what he kills to get paid well next year. Historically fitness and maybe consistency have been his challenges so Kyle showing up fit and maybe with an edge could lead to improved numbers from last year and that would be big for us.

I like that Poni, Wellwood, and Antro are all in the last year of their contracts, I think it could lead to some big years for the boys.

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I like that Poni, Wellwood, and Antro are all in the last year of their contracts, I think it could lead to some big years for the boys.
I would laugh my butt off, and cry tears of joy, if that ex-Leafs 3rd line challenged for the scoring title amongst the top 3 Jets lines.

One can dream.

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