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Capitals Re-Sign Mike Green [3 Years/$18.25 million]

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07-16-2012, 11:54 AM
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Now this is a bad contract. Even if he stays healthy, his performance in the last 2 years when he was actually playing has not been worth anywhere close to 6M.

Of course, it's highly unlikely he's going to be able to stay away from injuries for 3 years in the first place. $6M at today's cap is what I would have paid him if he was injury free and performing at the level he did in 2009&2010 and he's nowhere near that level of performance anymore.

This is a very bad signing.

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07-16-2012, 11:57 AM
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Ovechkin
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Alzer/Carlsson for not taking yet another step.


There is always someone to blame.
Schultz for existing.
The cap space wasted by buying out Tyler Sloan.
Bruce Boudreau for screwing up the team
Dale Hunter for screwing up the team
George McPhee for screwing up the team

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Six a year for a guy who has only played 81 games in the last two years, and has only put up 31 points in those 81 games.

Maybe they're paying him for his defensive talent?

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Now this is a bad contract. Even if he stays healthy, his performance in the last 2 years when he was actually playing has not been worth anywhere close to 6M.

Of course, it's highly unlikely he's going to be able to stay away from injuries for 3 years in the first place. $6M at today's cap is what I would have paid him if he was injury free and performing at the level he did in 2009&2010 and he's nowhere near that level of performance anymore.

This is a very bad signing.
This contract is actually worth less than his last one given the inflation in the cap between when the two were signed. If he's healthy and performing at his peak (which is borderline MVP level) you don't get him for close to 6, unless you throw in major term.

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07-16-2012, 11:58 AM
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GMGM just pulled a Feaster. The only thing I like is that our D is almost all set talking about long-term future:
Alzner - Carlson
Schilling - Green
Orlov - Wey

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07-16-2012, 11:59 AM
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As long as he stays healthy and gets back to his old pace, great signing

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GMGM just pulled a Feaster. Like that D is almost all set talking about long-term future:
Alzner - Carlson
Schilling - Green
Orlov - Wey
Why he gave a NMC too?

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Good deal for the Caps and Green.

A healthy Green is dangerous, VERY dangerous player.

if he gets hurt, they LTIR him and whatever.

good for both parties.

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good for him

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terrible deal.

assuming the caps are expecting the CBA to provide them leeway out of this

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Now this is a bad contract. Even if he stays healthy, his performance in the last 2 years when he was actually playing has not been worth anywhere close to 6M.

Of course, it's highly unlikely he's going to be able to stay away from injuries for 3 years in the first place. $6M at today's cap is what I would have paid him if he was injury free and performing at the level he did in 2009&2010 and he's nowhere near that level of performance anymore.

This is a very bad signing.
Thank you! I was surprised by the reactions about how fair this contract was etc. in this thread.

The guy has only played 81 games over the last 2 seasons and during that time has only 11 goals & 20 assists - not exactly terrible numbers but a big drop off from his point per game seasons in 2008/2009 & 2009/2010. Plus a lot of time has passed from those amazing seasons, seems like Washington may have paid for past performance

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Eh. Green has struggled to stay healthy and deliver consistent results as of late. He's being paid for performances of two seasons ago.

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Now this is a bad contract. Even if he stays healthy, his performance in the last 2 years when he was actually playing has not been worth anywhere close to 6M.

Of course, it's highly unlikely he's going to be able to stay away from injuries for 3 years in the first place. $6M at today's cap is what I would have paid him if he was injury free and performing at the level he did in 2009&2010 and he's nowhere near that level of performance anymore.

This is a very bad signing.
I don't often comment on money because I really have no idea what a player is worth, but this is just stupid. Mike Green is not the same player he was three years ago. He can't take a hit, his shot has gotten 'softer', he is slower, and he IS ALWAYS HURT.

His groin is one hit away from being jello. What the heck are the Caps thinking?

I was hoping one year at 5.0 and then let him walk, now we are stuck with Tom Poti 2.0. So stupid.

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This contract is actually worth less than his last one given the inflation in the cap between when the two were signed. If he's healthy and performing at his peak (which is borderline MVP level) you don't get him for close to 6, unless you throw in major term.
Let's call it what it is, Green has sucked the last 2 years when he has played and he's only played 49% of the games in that timeframe where he's only been on pace for 31 point pace over an 82 game season.

His defense has improved, but he is not worth anything even remotely close to the realm of 6M at this stage with that production and injury proneness. If he was performing at his 2009&2010 levels he'd be worth around $5.5-6M long term (Karlsson having gotten 6.5M and being a better overall player).

This contract is going to bite Washington in the ass I have absolutely zero doubt.

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Can't say I'm a big fan of this deal, but really the Caps had no choice. I'm glad it's not my team paying Mike Green over 6M.

He has looked quite bad the last couple of seasons when in the lineup.

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07-16-2012, 12:09 PM
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I don't often comment on money because I really have no idea what a player is worth, but this is just stupid. Mike Green is not the same player he was three years ago. He can't take a hit, his shot has gotten 'softer', he is slower, and he IS ALWAYS HURT.

His groin is one hit away from being jello. What the heck are the Caps thinking?

I was hoping one year at 5.0 and then let him walk, now we are stuck with Tom Poti 2.0. So stupid.
I would have been hoping for 1 year at 5M as well and see if he can stay healthy and return to his 2009/2010 production levels. The 6M isn't the end of the world, but for 3 years? I just don't understand why they would do that.

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07-16-2012, 12:12 PM
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I think this will make it easier to sign Edler for us. Thanks caps.

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Risky, but a huge reward if he returns to form.

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fair deal, not great. If he can get back to form then it's a really good for the Caps. I like the term on it for Washington though.

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Fair deal for both sides. Green looked healthy in the playoffs and is no longer the defensive liability that many of you still think he is. If healthy (the big if), he'll produce 40-50 points, play solid in his own end and be an elite puck mover. That is worth 6 million a year in today's market.

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Let's call it what it is, Green has sucked the last 2 years when he has played and he's only played 49% of the games in that timeframe where he's only been on pace for 31 point pace over an 82 game season.

His defense has improved, but he is not worth anything even remotely close to the realm of 6M at this stage with that production and injury proneness. If he was performing at his 2009&2010 levels he'd be worth around $5.5-6M long term (Karlsson having gotten 6.5M and being a better overall player).

This contract is going to bite Washington in the ass I have absolutely zero doubt.
The Caps have too much cap space for this to bite them as it stands.

This is obviously a bet that he won't be hit by those major injuries in these next 3 years. That's the only reason to keep him in the first place. And if he isn't, and if he's used in a competent offensive system, then maybe they get more of what they used to.

If not, well, they're overpaying a minutes eater who can skate when he's healthy. Would suck, but such is life.

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Well, he is not Russian. I can't imagine Mikhail Greenev signs this type of deal.

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I would have been hoping for 1 year at 5M as well and see if he can stay healthy and return to his 2009/2010 production levels. The 6M isn't the end of the world, but for 3 years? I just don't understand why they would do that.
You give him one year, he returns to form, he walks as a UFA or you have to pay him stupid money to keep him. This way gives them more risk but also more chances to get that peak performance.

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Hope he gets to stay healthy. I always liked Green.

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I can't help but think Columbus would have been ripped to shreds for doing this contract.

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