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07-17-2012, 12:52 PM
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I know its fun to rag on Boyle for being old, but he's still got a LOT of game left in him. At 36 years old he is still one of the best d-men in the game. There are not a lot of guys putting up 50 points on a regular basis. He hasn't shown one hint of decline so far. His 48 points last season were excellent considering he played the first quarter of the season with a broken foot. Soon as it healed he went right back to his normal production (slightly better actually). He's also a playoff warrior.

Offensive defensemen have a lot of value. Teams return huge packages for even rental d-men, let alone 2 years of a 50+ point star d-man.

He's worth quite a bit, regardless of the standard HF ("TOO OLD!")

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In what world is a 28 yr old 40 goal scorer worth a 36 yr old defenseman? Please do tell me.
In what world is a 30-year-old glassman worth a top-10 defenseman in the NHL? See, I can play that game too.

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In what world is a 28 yr old 40 goal scorer worth a 36 yr old defenseman? Please do tell me.
I was going off the rumor which said Boyle for Gaborik.

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You'd take a 36 yr old Dan Boyle over a 21 yr old Del Zotto? Rangers wouldn't consider it.

You'd take Gaborik over Nash? Despite Gaborik being the superior overall player and registering a higher GPG, PPG?



In what world is a 28 yr old 40 goal scorer worth a 36 yr old defenseman? Please do tell me.
Why all of the sudden does age automatically make a player more valuable? Is Andrew Desjardins more valuable than Dan Boyle because he's younger? That's not how that works.

Dan Boyle is a 50 point defensemen for the next two seasons. For a contending team that needs offense from it's blue line RIGHT NOW, his age is mostly irrelevant.

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Not a chance!

Del Zotto >>>>>> Boyle
Gaborik >> Nash
Thomas, 1st >>>>>>> nothing
I don't think Torts is sold on Marian Gaborik.

I am not...

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07-17-2012, 12:58 PM
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Not a chance!

Del Zotto >>>>>> Boyle



Dan Boyle is a top 5 offensive d-man in the league.He is also good defensively.Boyle is without a doubt a true franchise d-man.Del Zotto can't hold his jock.

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07-17-2012, 12:59 PM
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Geez, one player is a top-10 blueliner in the entire NHL who's the best PPQB in the league and a consistent 50 point player, and another is a kid who can't skate and gained the nickname "Delzaster" from Rangers fans after the playoffs. I think that's pretty funny. Rangers fans.
What a gross exaggeration. Can't skate?

Sharks fans stated in the past that Marleau is a playoff choker, no heart, gutless, doesn't care, etc in the series against the Blues.

Guess we shouldn't trade for Brian Boyle who is a big 6 foot 7 shutdown center who plays heavy defensive minutes on the #1 team for Marleau then.

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Also, Nash and Gaborik are equal. Nash could easily put up Gaborik's numbers if he were playing with Richards.
I'd like to see where you can come up with this claim.

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negative sir
Boyle is the better player, I'm not arguing against that.

Olympic blue liner, PPQB, great defensively, good wheels, etc.

But it makes no sense moving a 21 yr old offensive d-man who just scratched the surface of his potential with a breakout year for him.

Would Sharks fans be interested in Richards for Couture?

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I remember when he broke the Heatley trade. Frolov and Stoll to Ottawa, Heatley to SJ and Marleau to LA.

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Sharks fans stated in the past that Marleau is a playoff choker, no heart, gutless, doesn't care, etc in the series against the Blues.
That is his stereotype. He is usually very good in the playoffs. He is the lightning rod for the fan base.

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I know its fun to rag on Boyle for being old, but he's still got a LOT of game left in him. At 36 years old he is still one of the best d-men in the game. There are not a lot of guys putting up 50 points on a regular basis. He hasn't shown one hint of decline so far. His 48 points last season were excellent considering he played the first quarter of the season with a broken foot. Soon as it healed he went right back to his normal production (slightly better actually). He's also a playoff warrior.

Offensive defensemen have a lot of value. Teams return huge packages for even rental d-men, let alone 2 years of a 50+ point star d-man.

He's worth quite a bit, regardless of the standard HF ("TOO OLD!")
He is worth quite a bit, but not for an established young talent like Del Zotto.

I'd give Miller or McIlrath + a pick for him. That's a pretty good return for him IMO.

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Boyle is the better player, I'm not arguing against that.

Olympic blue liner, PPQB, great defensively, good wheels, etc.

But it makes no sense moving a 21 yr old offensive d-man who just scratched the surface of his potential with a breakout year for him.

Would Sharks fans be interested in Richards for Couture?
Very different. Couture has scored 30 goals twice in his first two seasons. That's a VERY rare accomplishment. Del Zotto has not approached that level of accomplishment yet.

We would not do it though mostly because of the salary situation (which we cannot afford) and we don't need more centers, let alone a #1 center.

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Boyle is the better player, I'm not arguing against that.

Olympic blue liner, PPQB, great defensively, good wheels, etc.

But it makes no sense moving a 21 yr old offensive d-man who just scratched the surface of his potential with a breakout year for him.

Would Sharks fans be interested in Richards for Couture?
Why would Sharks fans want to do that trade when Couture scored 1 less point than Richards while being a hell of a lot younger? The difference between those two is no where near the difference between Del Zotto and Boyle.

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Markov for Boyle straight up?

Nvm

Sounds like a re-tweet of an Eklund rumor.

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He is worth quite a bit, but not for an established young talent like Del Zotto.

I'd give Miller or McIlrath + a pick for him. That's a pretty good return for him IMO.
We are not looking for prospects.

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Markov for Boyle straight up?
So we trade a healthy aging 50 point defensemen for an aging 50 point defensemen who hasn't played a full season since 2009?

No, I don't think so. Addresses nothing for the Sharks.

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That is his stereotype. He is usually very good in the playoffs. He is the lightning rod for the fan base.
And the user that stated that all Ranger fans were calling him 'Del Zaster' was grossly exaggerating that point. He is also an unfortunate stereotype.

Put up a lot of points as a young blue liner = bad defensively, trade for conditional 7ths and aging veterans.

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Geez, one player is a top-10 blueliner in the entire NHL who's the best PPQB in the league and a consistent 50 point player, and another is a kid who can't skate and gained the nickname "Delzaster" from Rangers fans after the playoffs. I think that's pretty funny. Rangers fans.

Also, Nash and Gaborik are equal. Nash could easily put up Gaborik's numbers if he were playing with Richards.
You have probably not seen him, but Del Zotto is a pretty good D who got alot of hockey in him.

NYR has a logjam at LD (McD, Staal and Del Zotto), but otherwise nobody would ever come up with an idea to move a kid like Del Zotto (will make like 2.3m per the coming 2-3 years and is 22 y/o) for Dan Boyle (who will make 6.5m per for the coming 2 years, and who is 36 y/o).

I definitely wouldn't mind Boyle in NY, but nobody would deal Del Zotto for Boyle.

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Boyle is the better player, I'm not arguing against that.

Olympic blue liner, PPQB, great defensively, good wheels, etc.

But it makes no sense moving a 21 yr old offensive d-man who just scratched the surface of his potential with a breakout year for him.

Would Sharks fans be interested in Richards for Couture?
Don't need Richards we already have a lot of centers nor would I consider it. Couture is already on his level and is younger. I don't care if you won't trade Del Zotto for Boyle since no one offered it and I rather keep Boyle.

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Dan Boyle is a top 5 offensive d-man in the league.He is also good defensively.Boyle is without a doubt a true franchise d-man.Del Zotto can't hold his jock.
Congrats. You can hold onto your 36 year old franchise defenseman (lol), I'll take my chances with 10+ years of Del Zotto over maybe 3 or 4 from Boyle.

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So we trade a healthy aging 50 point defensemen for an aging 50 point defensemen who hasn't played a full season since 2009?

No, I don't think so. Addresses nothing for the Sharks.
No offense, but I don't think trading Dan Boyle at 36 is going to address anything for the Sharks. (iow the rumor is crock imho)

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In what world is a 30-year-old glassman worth a top-10 defenseman in the NHL? See, I can play that game too.
Boyle is 36 though. That makes a world full of difference.

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No offense, but I don't think trading Dan Boyle at 36 is going to address anything for the Sharks. (iow the rumor is crock imho)
We need forward depth, it can address that. Many teams lack a true #1 d-man, and even if he is 36, he's still a top-10 d-man who has shown no signs of decline so far.

Let's leave age out of it. You are getting a 50 point d-man for 2 years. What is the value of a 50 point two-way defensemen on a 2 year deal?

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Congrats. You can hold onto your 36 year old franchise defenseman (lol), I'll take my chances with 10+ years of Del Zotto over maybe 3 or 4 from Boyle.
Not a Shark fan so I wouldn't hold on to anything, I'm just laughing at how overrated Del Zotto is.He isn't even a single > over Boyle, let alone the 5 you posted.Del Zotto had a good season this past year but I guess you forgot about 10-11, where he was pathetic.Boyle is a 6x 50 point scorer, he is ELITE.Del Zotto ISN'T.

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Why all of the sudden does age automatically make a player more valuable? Is Andrew Desjardins more valuable than Dan Boyle because he's younger? That's not how that works.
No that's pure hyperbole by you to try and prove a point. Not exactly comparable.

Del Zotto scored 8 less points than Boyle and is 15 yrs younger with RFA eligibility. It makes absolutely no sense to trade him for Boyle, who is a nice player, but Del Zotto has a longer career awaiting for him at this point. Unless you think Boyle will play another 15 yrs. lol

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Dan Boyle is a 50 point defensemen for the next two seasons. For a contending team that needs offense from it's blue line RIGHT NOW, his age is mostly irrelevant.
Age is absolutely relevant. The Rangers want to contend for a long time and not for a span of 2-3 seasons. Del Zotto isn't being moved for Boyle, sorry.

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