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07-17-2012, 01:08 AM
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I take that back, it's a decent move if it allows him to make some kind of move for Nash and howsen us just waiting to see if doan signs. But I can't fathom it at this point.

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We don't even have 6 mill to spend on him. Nor is he THE answer, not at that price. Seems like a poor move, IMO when the bottom six has absolutely no scoring on it.
The team has 5.5 mil right now. If they sign for Doan for that ridiculous amount and need to make room, they can trade Clowe or Murray for futures to accommodate.

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The team has 5.5 mil right now. If they sign for Doan for that ridiculous amount and need to make room, they can trade Clowe or Murray for futures to accommodate.
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Why hasn't Jamison completed the purchase of the Coyotes? Apparently Doan was suppose to meet with Jamison last week to ascertain wither or not the Coyotes were staying. If all the road blocks preventing the purchase are gone why hasn't the resigning of Doan been announced?
Somethings up but I can't even venture what the holdup is.

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Why hasn't Jamison completed the purchase of the Coyotes? Apparently Doan was suppose to meet with Jamison last week to ascertain wither or not the Coyotes were staying. If all the road blocks preventing the purchase are gone why hasn't the resigning of Doan been announced?
Somethings up but I can't even venture what the holdup is.
They Yotes fans talk endlessly about this. I get the impression that they are a bit uneasy.

It could be that Jamison has had a long cooling off period

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I guess will know when Doan signs if the the Coyotes are moving or staying by who signs him

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To be fair, it's not the athlete's fault everyone is holding their breath.

It's his life, he can take as much time as he wants or change his mind if he wants. He's put himself in a position to do so. I'll never hold that against someone.
True, but he's also making GM's hold their breath. Like if a GM knows a guys gonna sign somewhere for sure, he'll have a backup plan for that specific scenario and what not. GM's plans get held up big time by crap like this.

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Doan wasnt worth 5 million in today's dollars when he was in his prime, I really hope we dont pay him a cent over 3M AAV if he chooses to come here.

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At this point I am hoping Doan and Nash are both traded. Just to get that out of the way and see DW work a trade with someone else.

I don't see either of them as the missing pieces. Together maybe .. but that would most likely be way too expensive.

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And the purpose of this response being...?

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If any team gives Doan over 5 they are smoking a crack pipe.

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If any team gives Doan over 5 they are smoking a crack pipe.
Agree yet someone will do it anyway. Gotta love UFA. lol

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Agree yet someone will do it anyway. Gotta love UFA. lol
Times like this really question if going into sports law or something would have been a better choice than engineering.

The amounts of money these agents are making...

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Times like this really question if going into sports law or something would have been a better choice than engineering.

The amounts of money these agents are making...
I dont even know why you need an agent

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I dont even know why you need an agent
because players are still signing contracts, which can basically have anything in it.

do you think the majority of the players in the nhl are smart enough to understand a legalized contract? where 1 word can basically change the entire context of the contract.

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because players are still signing contracts, which can basically have anything in it.

do you think the majority of the players in the nhl are smart enough to understand a legalized contract? where 1 word can basically change the entire context of the contract.
But it really cant. The CBA limits what can actually be contained in the contract. The Money is guaranteed. Term and bonus money is pretty clear.

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07-17-2012, 02:31 PM
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It's not that simple.

Most Leagues have a standard set of contract and a maximum an agent can make off of a contract (though agents often lower this number themselves.) However, most of the work done by a rep firm/agent is not the actual contract itself. That's the easy part (generally speaking.) While playing contracts are regulated via PA's and the CBA, outside endorsement contracts are not. Most rep firms offer more than just contractual services too: brand management, full fiscal advising, general advising etc... An agent will do the things that the player isn't trained/willing to do, negotiate the way the player isn't for the better benefit of the player. Remember a player has a short window to make his money comparative to other elite level professions. Maximizing this earning potential is key to his future and his kid's future.

At such high stakes, why not have someone specialized representing you looking out for your best interest? The team looks out for number one regardless of what they say, players can easily be taken advantage of.

If you feel otherwise, I assume you would sell your house yourself right? I mean, most real estate contracts are standard right? Average houses are not even close to the value most of these contracts reach. Typical agent cut on playing contracts are often lowered below the maximum allowed by CBAs to 1-3%. As a player, you would think the risk of going without proper representation is not worth 1-3%.

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07-17-2012, 02:41 PM
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I dont even know why you need an agent
My advice to you, if you ever get the opportunity to sign a million dollar contract or even a hundred thousand one, hire a lawyer.

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If you win the lotto, first thing you should do is a hire a lawyer.

Then someone to help you with your finances. Someone who will say no, and look out for your fiscal health.

Why? Because your suddenly realized 3rd cousin won't do that for you.

Roughly the same reasoning as hiring an agent.

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If you win the lotto, first thing you should do is a hire a lawyer.

Then someone to help you with your finances. Someone who will say no, and look out for your fiscal health.

Why? Because your suddenly realized 3rd cousin won't do that for you.

Roughly the same reasoning as hiring an agent.
Except in Joe Thorntons case

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Except in Joe Thorntons case
It doesn't count when your brother is actually an agent! lol.

...but touche!

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Except in Joe Thorntons case
And Logan Couture's case, apparently.

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It's not that simple.

Most Leagues have a standard set of contract and a maximum an agent can make off of a contract (though agents often lower this number themselves.) However, most of the work done by a rep firm/agent is not the actual contract itself. That's the easy part (generally speaking.) While playing contracts are regulated via PA's and the CBA, outside endorsement contracts are not. Most rep firms offer more than just contractual services too: brand management, full fiscal advising, general advising etc... An agent will do the things that the player isn't trained/willing to do, negotiate the way the player isn't for the better benefit of the player. Remember a player has a short window to make his money comparative to other elite level professions. Maximizing this earning potential is key to his future and his kid's future.

At such high stakes, why not have someone specialized representing you looking out for your best interest? The team looks out for number one regardless of what they say, players can easily be taken advantage of.

If you feel otherwise, I assume you would sell your house yourself right? I mean, most real estate contracts are standard right? Average houses are not even close to the value most of these contracts reach. Typical agent cut on playing contracts are often lowered below the maximum allowed by CBAs to 1-3%. As a player, you would think the risk of going without proper representation is not worth 1-3%.
Some players don't play hardball, using the agents, at the high point of their career if both team and player are committed to a long term relationship. Brodeur only got an agent for this last round of negotiations. I'll add that tax laws for athletes have changed with most of the high end guys using their agents for their tax returns. They have to file in most of the states in which they play. Can you imagine doing 10 to 15 state returns in addition to your home state and federal?

If the player does go on his own, the PA will provide comps for compensation directly to the player so that he is not flying blind.

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The team has 5.5 mil right now.
Yes, but with only 20 players signed. If you add two low paid forwards (say McCarthy and McLaren), then you have $4.325 million to sign one forward. And since you want some wiggle room, $4 million is a lot more realistic. So unless we are moving out some cap space via trade then signing someone for more than $4 million is unrealistic.

Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Shane Doan ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Adam Burish ($1.850m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / T.J. Galiardi ($0.950m)
Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.633m) / John McCarthy ($0.613m)

Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($1.250m)

Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $325,833

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It doesn't count when your brother is actually an agent! lol.

...but touche!
Is he a lawyer too? Or has a JD?

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