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07-16-2012, 02:11 PM
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07-16-2012, 02:18 PM
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I guess I'm confused. I was under the impression that we were signing him to play for us. Are you strictly determining his contract value based on what we would get for him in a trade?
No, but I am pointing out that don't just auto re-sign guys for "market value" or any other value above your internal team value just because the player is already in your system.

If Fletcher and co value Clutterbuck at $2.5 million/year, then they should re-sign him at that. However, what they should NOT do is sign him at $2.5 million/year, when they value him at $2 million/year just because he could get $3 million/year on the open market. In that case, they should trade him.

And the Wild's internal value would take into effect his play, both positive and negative, his chemistry, or lack thereof, with other players on the Wild's 3rd line, his locker room value, fan value, his replacability, him taking up a roster spot from players who may bring different assets to the team, the Wild's cap situation, etc.


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07-16-2012, 02:39 PM
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Pretty sure we've seen that if the Wild and the player are apart by several hundred K they aren't afraid to let them walk.

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No, but I am pointing out that don't just auto re-sign guys for "market value" or any other value above your internal team value just because the player is already in your system.

If Fletcher and co value Clutterbuck at $2.5 million/year, then they should re-sign him at that. However, what they should NOT do is sign him at $2.5 million/year, when they value him at $2 million/year just because he could get $3 million/year on the open market. In that case, they should trade him.

And the Wild's internal value would take into effect his play, both positive and negative, his chemistry, or lack thereof, with other players on the Wild's 3rd line, his locker room value, fan value, his replacability, him taking up a roster spot from players who may bring different assets to the team, the Wild's cap situation, etc.
Alright, good. Done.

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Why would Bulmer replace CC?

I'm confused... what's wrong with having multiple, agitating, physical forwards who can add some offense?

My perfect team would have 4-6 of these forwards.

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07-17-2012, 08:12 PM
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Why would Bulmer replace CC?

I'm confused... what's wrong with having multiple, agitating, physical forwards who can add some offense?

My perfect team would have 4-6 of these forwards.
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07-17-2012, 08:28 PM
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Why would Bulmer replace CC?

I'm confused... what's wrong with having multiple, agitating, physical forwards who can add some offense?

My perfect team would have 4-6 of these forwards.
Bulmer also has top 6 potential and is more of a team player.

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Really?

When Backstrom, Bouchard and Cullen walk after the season that's 13.5

I'd easily give CC 2.0 out of that in a raise.

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Bulmer also has top 6 potential and is more of a team player.
So play Bulmer in the top 6 and CC on the third line

Blows my mind that a team wants to move away toughness like its nothing

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So play Bulmer in the top 6 and CC on the third line

Blows my mind that a team wants to move away toughness like its nothing
It's not so much that we want to move away from him so much as it is the fact that he is the only asset we have that is both replaceable and has trade value, and we could use another upgrade to the defense, as well as some more cap space and free contract slots.

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So play Bulmer in the top 6 and CC on the third line

Blows my mind that a team wants to move away toughness like its nothing
I wouldn't say we "want" to move away from Clutter, but it's becoming a viable option to improve other areas of the team.

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Bulmer also has top 6 potential and is more of a team player.
Bulmer being a top 6 forward is a stretch. He's a perfect top 9 guy with some offensive upside but isn't going to be a full time top 6 guy in his career IMO

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Really?

When Backstrom, Bouchard and Cullen walk after the season that's 13.5

I'd easily give CC 2.0 out of that in a raise.


Agreed. But If Bulmer, Coyle or Larsson are ready to move into the top 9 next year then you trade CC for a defenseman of similiar value and it makes this team that much better overall.

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I wouldn't say we "want" to move away from Clutter, but it's becoming a viable option to improve other areas of the team.
exactly my position. I don't want him gone at all.

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I could care less, but as long as he doesn't walk for nothing and if he re-signs for cheap. Let's be honest, hes replaceable.

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If Gaustad and Brouwer are worth 1st rd picks, then so is Clutter.
That's true.

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We can re-sign Cal, but remember, we still have to save room for Weber.

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07-18-2012, 08:25 AM
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Let's just see what Clutterbuck does this year.

I predict that he'll get the same 15/15 season, but Brodziak will have a drop off because Clutterbuck can't cycle or protect the puck.

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Brodziak will have a drop off in terms of production not because of Clutterbuck, but because he won't see the type of ice time he did last season.

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Brodziak will have a drop off in terms of production not because of Clutterbuck, but because he won't see the type of ice time he did last season.
have to agree with this. but i'd add a "hopefully" before "he won't see the type of ice time". Can't help but fear...

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Clutter for a 1st round is fine by me..

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Brodziak will have a drop off in terms of production not because of Clutterbuck, but because he won't see the type of ice time he did last season.
He won't see top D pairings either, so maybe it'll balance out.

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Brodziak will have a drop off in terms of production not because of Clutterbuck, but because he won't see the type of ice time he did last season.
Brodziak is a beast..such an underrated player. His numbers will probably drop due to less ice time but he's still a Big piece of our team up front

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He won't see top D pairings either, so maybe it'll balance out.
I agree with this. I think Brodz will have lower numbers this season, but not by much. There will be more focus on other players and teams will have to gamble with the Wild's 3rd line a little.

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