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07-17-2012, 08:48 PM
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right now our lines are lookin like this:

1)Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
2)Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
3)Leblanc - Eller - Moen
4)Prust - Nokelainen - Armstrong

1)Emelin - Markov
2)Subban - Gorges
3)Kaberle - Weber

1)Price - Budaj

idk how we are going to win with this team but all i know is that if Bergy doesn't
get a big player for the 2 first lines, we are prob going to end up at the same spot
as last year.
i would try to trade these players immediately:
Bourque, Gionta, Eller, Kaberle...
for prospects or picks if i couldn't get any decent impact player..
give me your opinions on this..

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right now our lines are lookin like this:

1)Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
2)Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
3)Leblanc - Eller - Moen
4)Prust - Nokelainen - Armstrong

1)Emelin - Markov
2)Subban - Gorges
3)Kaberle - Weber

1)Price - Budaj

idk how we are going to win with this team but all i know is that if Bergy doesn't
get a big player for the 2 first lines, we are prob going to end up at the same spot
as last year.
i would try to trade these players immediately:
Bourque, Gionta, Eller, Kaberle...
for prospects or picks if i couldn't get any decent impact player..
give me your opinions on this..
1)Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
2)Bourque - Gomez - Gionta
3)Moen - Plekanec - Eller
4)Prust - Nokelainen - Armstrong

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right now our lines are lookin like this:

1)Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
2)Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
3)Leblanc - Eller - Moen
4)Prust - Nokelainen - Armstrong

1)Emelin - Markov
2)Subban - Gorges
3)Kaberle - Weber

1)Price - Budaj

idk how we are going to win with this team but all i know is that if Bergy doesn't
get a big player for the 2 first lines, we are prob going to end up at the same spot
as last year.
i would try to trade these players immediately:
Bourque, Gionta, Eller, Kaberle...
for prospects or picks if i couldn't get any decent impact player..
give me your opinions on this..

I agree, it will be tough to win with this lineup, but I don't exactly think that size is the issue. Patches, Cole, and Borque are all 6"2, as is Eller. I wouldn't really have a strong opinion if any of Borque, Gionta, or Kaberle were moved for the right package. I do still have hopes that Gionta and Borque could score 25-30 goals, (They are both only a season removed from those seasons), and I also believe Kaberle could still be an effective player, people seem to forget how many points he wracks up. I feel that we would regret trading Eller though, by no means do I want him moved, he's only 22 anyways.

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07-17-2012, 10:17 PM
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I agree, it will be tough to win with this lineup, but I don't exactly think that size is the issue. Patches, Cole, and Borque are all 6"2, as is Eller. I wouldn't really have a strong opinion if any of Borque, Gionta, or Kaberle were moved for the right package. I do still have hopes that Gionta and Borque could score 25-30 goals, (They are both only a season removed from those seasons), and I also believe Kaberle could still be an effective player, people seem to forget how many points he wracks up. I feel that we would regret trading Eller though, by no means do I want him moved, he's only 22 anyways.
size is still an issue upfront.
to me, players like Bourque, Eller, Moen that are 6'2''
that play less gritty and that are less solid than
a bag of patatos. Are as ineffective as Gionta at
5'7''..
i rather have players like Max Talbot
up on my second line then a player like Bourque to be honest.
Talbot is like 5'11'' and weighs under 195lbs but im sure
he plays way more gritty and hits way harder then Bourque does.
and thats what habs need, its Grit and Weight up front that hit.
aslong as habs don't get players like that, that can play on the
2 first lines. we will always get beat by big teams especially Philly
and Boston.
its good to have size but you need some Grit that comes with it
or else its worthless. you might aswell just get a small talented
scoring player instead...

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size is still an issue upfront.
to me, players like Bourque, Eller, Moen that are 6'2''
that play less gritty and that are less solid than
a bag of patatos
. Are as ineffective as Gionta at
5'7''..
i rather have players like Max Talbot
up on my second line then a player like Bourque to be honest.
Talbot is like 5'11'' and weighs under 195lbs but im sure
he plays way more gritty and hits way harder then Bourque does.
and thats what habs need, its Grit and Weight up front that hit.
aslong as habs don't get players like that, that can play on the
2 first lines. we will always get beat by big teams especially Philly
and Boston.
its good to have size but you need some Grit that comes with it
or else its worthless. you might aswell just get a small talented
scoring player instead...
not sure if serious

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07-18-2012, 12:15 AM
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not sure if serious
im 100% serious... we need some gritty players.
players like chris neil, steve downie, dan carcillo, ryan malone, jordin tootoo
patrick kaleta, zach rinaldo, milan lucic, scott hartnell, chris stewart, anthony stewart,
max talbot, jarret stoll, kyle clifford..
all these players are gritty players, some are good players but all of them can fight and have character!

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im 100% serious... we need some gritty players.
players like chris neil, steve downie, dan carcillo, ryan malone, jordin tootoo
patrick kaleta, zach rinaldo, milan lucic, scott hartnell, chris stewart, anthony stewart,
max talbot, jarret stoll, kyle clifford..
all these players are gritty players, some are good players but all of them can fight and have character!
Kaleta, Talbot and Anthony Stewart 'gritty', Travis Moen 'not gritty'. What is going on here?

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07-18-2012, 03:31 AM
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im 100% serious... we need some gritty players.
players like chris neil, steve downie, dan carcillo, ryan malone, jordin tootoo
patrick kaleta, zach rinaldo, milan lucic, scott hartnell, chris stewart, anthony stewart,
max talbot, jarret stoll, kyle clifford..
all these players are gritty players, some are good players but all of them can fight and have character!
Chris Stewart gritty?

Now I've heard it all.

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07-18-2012, 06:11 AM
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size is still an issue upfront.
to me, players like Bourque, Eller, Moen that are 6'2''
that play less gritty and that are less solid than
a bag of patatos.
Are as ineffective as Gionta at
5'7''..
i rather have players like Max Talbot
up on my second line
then a player like Bourque to be honest.
Talbot is like 5'11'' and weighs under 195lbs but im sure
he plays way more gritty and hits way harder then Bourque does.
and thats what habs need, its Grit and Weight up front that hit.
aslong as habs don't get players like that, that can play on the
2 first lines. we will always get beat by big teams especially Philly
and Boston.
its good to have size but you need some Grit that comes with it
or else its worthless. you might aswell just get a small talented
scoring player instead...
So much wrong in this post... won't comment on the first bolded, it's just mind boggling. And Talbot on the 2nd line ? WTF ? As you said, he's 5'11 and 195lbs but you add grit and weight, well, he's far from big enough according to your standards. And, Cole, Pacioretty, don't play with grit I suppose ?

Anyway, see, I'm pretty sure Bourque will come back motivated, especially with the new coaching and their aggressive style of play, combined with new players like Prust, Armstrong and the gritty Cube on the back end, you will have your big, gritty winger.

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07-18-2012, 08:13 AM
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im 100% serious... we need some gritty players.
players like chris neil, steve downie, dan carcillo, ryan malone, jordin tootoo
patrick kaleta, zach rinaldo, milan lucic, scott hartnell, chris stewart, anthony stewart,
max talbot, jarret stoll, kyle clifford..
all these players are gritty players, some are good players but all of them can fight and have character!
So Moen Eller and Bourque are not gritty but goofball Malone is?

There goes all your credibility.

We are not lacking in grit, we need another scorer, another guy that can potentially play top 6. Even if it's taking a shot at a guy like AK, Sykora, Arnott or Huselius on a 1 year deal...unless we can get Doan(which would probably an overpay).

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07-18-2012, 08:23 AM
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right now our lines are lookin like this:

1)Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
2)Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
3)Leblanc - Eller - Moen
4)Prust - Nokelainen - Armstrong

1)Emelin - Markov
2)Subban - Gorges
3)Kaberle - Weber

1)Price - Budaj

idk how we are going to win with this team but all i know is that if Bergy doesn't
get a big player for the 2 first lines, we are prob going to end up at the same spot
as last year.
i would try to trade these players immediately:
Bourque, Gionta, Eller, Kaberle...
for prospects or picks if i couldn't get any decent impact player..
give me your opinions on this..
First let me remind everyone that this lineup looks as good as any. The NHL is not this old league where the team finishing on top had all the good players. Teams are of relatively similar strength. The difference are the little things. I am not sure we would have missed the playoff last year if we would have kept Jacques Martin. But this is not what happened. I prefer this lineup to the one we had last year.

Markov = better PP and less of Weber/Diaz
A seasoned Emelin is replacing Gill
Bouillon is an upgrade over Weber
Kaberle is not worst then Spacek

We will likely start the season with
Markov, Emelin
Bouillon, Suban
Kaberle, Gorges
Diaz

IMO we will finish the season with:
Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Suban
Tinordi - Diaz <----- I think Diaz will be a pleasant surprise
Bouillon

For the second line I think they will sacrifice one of Eller or Plekanec during the year. Prust, Leblanc, Moen might be where they are heading.

If they where to do a Eller + Bourque for Bobby Ryan it could help us ...
Pacs, DD, Cole
Ryan, Plek, Gionta
Prust, Leblanc, Moen
Armstrong, Noke, White

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Looking forward to the pre-season games,after watching those I will have an idea how the team will do in the regular season.Eller is badly under-rated on these boards and Bourque is really tuning up for the coming season.Bourque has been inconsistent but throughout his career at least scores in the 20 goals range or more.This season the Plekanec line will be intact from the start,meaning the three players that were to make their line are going to be healthy,as Gionta was injured when Bourque came to the Habs.These three could have great chemistry,Bourque knows who he will be playing with Plecky and Gio are nonstop players that give 100% every shift.He will need to be in the best shape of his career if he wants to be on that line all year,if he's in shape Rene could be a pleasant surprise for everybody and have a career year.The Habs won't be repeating the season just passed,expect a revival of spirit and a team that plays a desperate game every night,no easy points will be taken from this team.The games that were lost by a goal will be won with our new faces in the line-up with White,Moen and Gionta taking up the charge it should be fun.

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I'm sure the asking price will be enormous but, like most, I'd sure like to see Bobby Ryan in a Habs uniform.

He's obviously done with the Ducks. What are they looking for? We know they won't go for guys like Bourque, Kaberle, Weber and so on. So, do offer top prospects and draft picks?

Would our 1st next year with Kristo and Tinordi be enough? Too much? I had a discussion about him with a few friends and the opinions of what the Ducks would want were all over.

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I'm sure the asking price will be enormous but, like most, I'd sure like to see Bobby Ryan in a Habs uniform.

He's obviously done with the Ducks. What are they looking for? We know they won't go for guys like Bourque, Kaberle, Weber and so on. So, do offer top prospects and draft picks?

Would our 1st next year with Kristo and Tinordi be enough? Too much? I had a discussion about him with a few friends and the opinions of what the Ducks would want were all over.
Ryan has awesome talent and would be a great piece for any team to add, but why do you think he is obviously done with the Duck? I think they would be foolish to trade him, at least before they lock up both Getzlaf and Perry. Both are UFAs after this season. The Ducks may need Ryan if both or either walk in the summer of 2013.

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I'm sure the asking price will be enormous but, like most, I'd sure like to see Bobby Ryan in a Habs uniform.

He's obviously done with the Ducks. What are they looking for? We know they won't go for guys like Bourque, Kaberle, Weber and so on. So, do offer top prospects and draft picks?

Would our 1st next year with Kristo and Tinordi be enough? Too much? I had a discussion about him with a few friends and the opinions of what the Ducks would want were all over.
Bergevin won't be giving away three prospects for Bobby Ryan and it's highly unlikely any organization values him as much as you do.Ryan has been on the market as long or longer than Nash and teams aren't breaking down doors to get him obviously.When/if they move him it will be anti-climatic to all the other signings this off-season.

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Ryan has awesome talent and would be a great piece for any team to add, but why do you think he is obviously done with the Duck? I think they would be foolish to trade him, at least before they lock up both Getzlaf and Perry. Both are UFAs after this season. The Ducks may need Ryan if both or either walk in the summer of 2013.
Just based on the rumours that he has been on the trading block so many times and his recent comments that the Ducks should trade him because of it.

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Bergevin won't be giving away three prospects for Bobby Ryan and it's highly unlikely any organization values him as much as you do.Ryan has been on the market as long or longer than Nash and teams aren't breaking down doors to get him obviously.When/if they move him it will be anti-climatic to all the other signings this off-season.
Tinordi is a good solid prospect and should turn out to be a solid 2nd pairing shut down type defenseman... not an elite player however.

Kristo is a decent prospect that has not developed as much as hoped for. He should be an NHLer eventually... hopefully.

The first pick next year could be exceptional depending on the Habs season and that's my biggest caveat.

Bobby Ryan is an elite power forward in the league and very close to Rick Nash in my opinion. After hearing what the Jackets refused from the Rangers at the deadline last year, one would think that the Ducks will ask for a lot for Ryan, and it won't be anti-climatic at all.

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Chris Stewart gritty?

Now I've heard it all.
chris stewart fights a lot.. idk what chris stewart your looking at but
the one that plays for the blues has alot of grit and character.
search him up before commenting buddy ... doesn't turn down any fight...

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Kaleta, Talbot and Anthony Stewart 'gritty', Travis Moen 'not gritty'. What is going on here?
travis moen is gritty but hes weak... he always loses his fights and he gets drilled by small players.. i think gionta is more solid on his skates then moen LOLLL

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So much wrong in this post... won't comment on the first bolded, it's just mind boggling. And Talbot on the 2nd line ? WTF ? As you said, he's 5'11 and 195lbs but you add grit and weight, well, he's far from big enough according to your standards. And, Cole, Pacioretty, don't play with grit I suppose ?

Anyway, see, I'm pretty sure Bourque will come back motivated, especially with the new coaching and their aggressive style of play, combined with new players like Prust, Armstrong and the gritty Cube on the back end, you will have your big, gritty winger.
first of all can you please tell me where i specifically said that Cole and Pacio
werent gritty?
second i said i would rather a player ''LIKE'' talbot instead of a lazy sac of
patato like Bourque on my second line. and yes Talbot is a great instigator
that can drop and hit like a 210 pounder. go see his highlights buddy.
and 3rd of all, Armstrong gritty? hahahahhahahaah hes a tall slanky
weak player thats less solid then Gionta on his skates. hes like moen, when they
get hit they drop even if its a little player hitting them LOLLL.
anyways Montreal has no Grit what so ever except for Prust and White
and our 1st line with cole and Pacio.
next year watch the games when Habs play the Bruins or the Flyers.
youl see what i mean when i say habs need Gritty players...

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I'm sure the asking price will be enormous but, like most, I'd sure like to see Bobby Ryan in a Habs uniform.

He's obviously done with the Ducks. What are they looking for? We know they won't go for guys like Bourque, Kaberle, Weber and so on. So, do offer top prospects and draft picks?

Would our 1st next year with Kristo and Tinordi be enough? Too much? I had a discussion about him with a few friends and the opinions of what the Ducks would want were all over.
Pleks, Beaulieu and our 2nd in 2013 and I think wed be close. I wouldnt do it though, at least not until Gally actually shows he can do it in the NHL.

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So Moen Eller and Bourque are not gritty but goofball Malone is?

There goes all your credibility.

We are not lacking in grit, we need another scorer, another guy that can potentially play top 6. Even if it's taking a shot at a guy like AK, Sykora, Arnott or Huselius on a 1 year deal...unless we can get Doan(which would probably an overpay).
Eller, Bourque Gritty? LOLLLL their both 6'2'' but they both
dont have any grit what so ever... idk where you see Eller and Bourque have
Grit but i dont think your lookin at the ones that play for the habs buddy LOLL.
and why in the hell would we get players like sykora, huselius and arnott???
to score goals? are you kidding me ? hahahahahhah

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Pleks, Beaulieu and our 2nd in 2013 and I think wed be close. I wouldnt do it though, at least not until Gally actually shows he can do it in the NHL.
I know we'd have to give up lots for Ryan but I'd really rather keep Pleks around. Collberg, Beaulieu and our 2nd?

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First let me remind everyone that this lineup looks as good as any. The NHL is not this old league where the team finishing on top had all the good players. Teams are of relatively similar strength. The difference are the little things. I am not sure we would have missed the playoff last year if we would have kept Jacques Martin. But this is not what happened. I prefer this lineup to the one we had last year.

Markov = better PP and less of Weber/Diaz
A seasoned Emelin is replacing Gill
Bouillon is an upgrade over Weber
Kaberle is not worst then Spacek

We will likely start the season with
Markov, Emelin
Bouillon, Suban
Kaberle, Gorges
Diaz

IMO we will finish the season with:
Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Suban
Tinordi - Diaz <----- I think Diaz will be a pleasant surprise
Bouillon

For the second line I think they will sacrifice one of Eller or Plekanec during the year. Prust, Leblanc, Moen might be where they are heading.

If they where to do a Eller + Bourque for Bobby Ryan it could help us ...
Pacs, DD, Cole
Ryan, Plek, Gionta
Prust, Leblanc, Moen
Armstrong, Noke, White
they would never give Ryan for Bourque and Eller... r U smoking crack?

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Looking forward to the pre-season games,after watching those I will have an idea how the team will do in the regular season.Eller is badly under-rated on these boards and Bourque is really tuning up for the coming season.Bourque has been inconsistent but throughout his career at least scores in the 20 goals range or more.This season the Plekanec line will be intact from the start,meaning the three players that were to make their line are going to be healthy,as Gionta was injured when Bourque came to the Habs.These three could have great chemistry,Bourque knows who he will be playing with Plecky and Gio are nonstop players that give 100% every shift.He will need to be in the best shape of his career if he wants to be on that line all year,if he's in shape Rene could be a pleasant surprise for everybody and have a career year.The Habs won't be repeating the season just passed,expect a revival of spirit and a team that plays a desperate game every night,no easy points will be taken from this team.The games that were lost by a goal will be won with our new faces in the line-up with White,Moen and Gionta taking up the charge it should be fun.
idk man. to be honest i rather try and trade Bourque, Gionta and Eller. im sure we can get something decent with them.

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