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07-17-2012, 12:49 PM
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I keep hearing "0 points in 15 games" from everyone.
Let me add -10.

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you think Colborne is that good he gets spots 2 and 3?

or maybe he has a twin....
Remember, the lists prior to this page were all made at the end of February. It's interesting to see how things change in 5 months. But yeah that doesn't excuse a failure in editing skills.

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07-17-2012, 01:22 PM
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Deschamps over Ashton.

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07-17-2012, 01:51 PM
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Deschamps over Ashton.
Not even close.

Ashton is: Younger, bigger, more physical, has higher offensive potential, drops the gloves, has played in the NHL.....

Deschamps is in NO WAY ahead of Ashton.

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07-17-2012, 02:06 PM
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07-17-2012, 04:53 PM
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Not even close.

Ashton is: Younger, bigger, more physical, has higher offensive potential, drops the gloves, has played in the NHL.....

Deschamps is in NO WAY ahead of Ashton.
sadly no has yet to realize how valuable ashton can be to us in the future.

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07-17-2012, 05:38 PM
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sadly no has yet to realize how valuable ashton can be to us in the future.
That's because they lack patience, quite a few of them around this neck of the woods.

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07-17-2012, 05:58 PM
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He has solid tools, and a great frame to add bulk to. He's not really a guy with a mean streak, as you would hope for in a power forward, but he has a decent motor, and he likes to be physical.

It remains to be seen if anything can come of his offensive progression, but that's the part that takes time in prospects like Ashton. He could also use some work in the skating department, and that alone would really help his offense come along.

Let this kid figure it out a few years, for Gods' sake! He's only 21. He's like, 6'3, 200lbs. If he can improve his skating, and bulk up to 215-220, you've got a heck of a warrior on your 2nd/3rd line, if all goes to plan.

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07-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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C.Ashton - b. APR 1991, 6'3", 215lbs, #29 overall 2009
J.Colborne - b. JAN 1990, 6'5", 215lbs, #16 overall 2008

Age 21

C.Ashton (NHL): ---
J.Colborne (NHL): 10gms, 1gls, 5pts, 4pim (82gms, 8gls, 41pts, 33pim)

C.Ashton (AHL): ---
J.Colborne (AHL): 65gms, 16gls, 39pts, 46pim (82gms, 20gls, 49pts, 58pim) - PLYFF: 15gms, 2gls, 8pts, 8pim (82gms, 11gls, 44pts, 44pim)


Age 20

C.Ashton (NHL): 15gms, 0gls, 0pts, 13pim (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 71pim)
J.Colborne (NHL): 1gms, 0gls, 1pts, 0pim (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0pim)

C.Ashton (AHL): 63gms, 21gls, 38pts, 66pim (82gms, 27gls, 50pts, 86pim) - PLYFFS: 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 8pim (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 109pim)
J.Colborne (AHL): 75gms, 20gls, 42pts, 43pim (82gms, 22gls, 46pts, 47pim)


Age 19

C.Ashton (AHL): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0pim (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0pim) - PLYFFS: 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0pim (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0pim)
J.Colborne (AHL): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 2pim (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 27pim)

C.Ashton (WHL): 62gms, 33gls, 71pts, 106pim (82gms, 44gls, 94pts, 140pim) - PLYFFS: 10gms, 3gls, 8pts, 4pim (82gms, 25gls, 66pts, 33pim)
J.Colborne (NCAA): 39gms, 22gls, 41pts, 30pim (82gms, 46gls, 86pts, 63pim)

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07-17-2012, 07:14 PM
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On one hand, Ashton looked pretty poor offensively in his showing with Toronto, and seems more disposable than Frattin, but then Ashton is 3-4 years younger, which means he has a lot of room to grow as a raw rookie, so maybe you don't want to ship him out.

On the other other hand, we have Biggs, Devane, Ross, Leivo in that 2nd-3rd line winger role with size and/or aggressiveness in the same age group, so it's not like he'd be a huge loss.

On the other other other hand, Bernier could be a franchise goalie, so all of it is a small price to pay and an acceptable risk.
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3 hands you have?

I know the perfect girl for you

Watched this movie today.

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Watched this movie today.
I couldn't resist

The 2012 version looks like it will be very good - from the trailer I saw

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Not even close.

Ashton is: Younger, bigger, more physical, has higher offensive potential, drops the gloves, has played in the NHL.....

Deschamps is in NO WAY ahead of Ashton.
Which Deschamps?

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Watched this movie today.
Hey man, I got fiiiive kids to feed!

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Watched this movie today.
Which movie? I can't tell on my phone.

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Ashton should be ready at 24 and will be 2nd or 3rd line depending. The same as Colborne and maybe Kadri although I think Kadri will be in this year, maybe even Colborne.

Ashton got that NHL time for two reasons, assist the tank and light a fire in him to give him the desire and taste to better himself so he can be in the NHL and live his dream.

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Which Deschamps?
Not sure the point of playing dumb, rather than responding..... But alright.

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07-18-2012, 08:35 AM
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Not sure the point of playing dumb, rather than responding..... But alright.
it's not playing

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I just don't see Ashton as a country mile ahead of Deschamps. I sure hope ND gets his shot on the 3rd line this season. I can guarantee that he'll do better than 0 points and -10 in 15 games.

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I just don't see Ashton as a country mile ahead of Deschamps. I sure hope ND gets his shot on the 3rd line this season. I can guarantee that he'll do better than 0 points and -10 in 15 games.
I'm not saying that he wouldn't gain a point, if given the time, but there is no bloody way that his game is better than Ashton's.

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07-18-2012, 10:17 AM
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I just don't see Ashton as a country mile ahead of Deschamps. I sure hope ND gets his shot on the 3rd line this season. I can guarantee that he'll do better than 0 points and -10 in 15 games.
There more to a game than just numbers and stats.

Ashton has a lot of untapped offense in him more so than Deschamps can probably imagine. When Ashton was traded the core for the marlies and the leafs were set so basically he was in the outside looking in both teams. He did a hell of a job impressing with the big team showing he does have the soft hands, while physically and defensively he is ready.

Ashton started to actually sparkle towards the end when he found the chemistry and comfort zone with the team and colborne specifically on the ice. It was very much present in his playoff games as well. Between ashton and deschamp, one has the potential to be a top liner while the other has the makings of 2nd to 3rd liner. Ashton being ofc the one with the top line potential, this is idealistically speaking. Deschamps is the second coming of a Clarke Macarthur but with more of an edge and two way game. He has the potential to be a good second - third liner idealistically. If Ashton doesn't hit that ceiling he still be a solid player in the second and third liner due the intangibles he brings to the game.

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There more to a game than just numbers and stats.

Ashton has a lot of untapped offense in him more so than Deschamps can probably imagine. When Ashton was traded the core for the marlies and the leafs were set so basically he was in the outside looking in both teams. He did a hell of a job impressing with the big team showing he does have the soft hands, while physically and defensively he is ready.

Ashton started to actually sparkle towards the end when he found the chemistry and comfort zone with the team and colborne specifically on the ice. It was very much present in his playoff games as well. Between ashton and deschamp, one has the potential to be a top liner while the other has the makings of 2nd to 3rd liner. Ashton being ofc the one with the top line potential, this is idealistically speaking. Deschamps is the second coming of a Clarke Macarthur but with more of an edge and two way game. He has the potential to be a good second - third liner idealistically. If Ashton doesn't hit that ceiling he still be a solid player in the second and third liner due the intangibles he brings to the game.
Also to add, Ashton also got called up during one of the worst times in Leafs History and that wasn't fair to the guy IMO. He was on pace for 27 goals in the AHL, pretty solid for a rookie and the 3rd highest gpg in his 91 birth year. He was also ranked 11th in gpg for the top 25 scorers under the age of 25 in the AHL(most of the players were older anywhere from 1 to 4 years).

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07-18-2012, 11:53 AM
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Arguably graduated already or very recently graduated or likely graduated this year:

1) D J.Gardiner* (22)
2) G J.Reimer* (24)
3) C N.Kadri* (21)
4) W M.Frattin* (24)
5) G B.Scrivens* (26)


Legit Prospects not close to being graduated:

1) D M.Rielly (18)
2) G M.Owuya (23)
3) D M.Finn (18)
4) D S.Percy (19)
5) C J.Colborne (22)
6) W C.Ashton (21)
7) W T.Biggs (19)
8) C G.McKegg (20)
9) W J.D'Amigo (21)
10) D J.Blacker (21)
11) W B.Ross (20)
12) D K.Holzer (24)
13) W N.Deschamps (21)
14) W J.Leivo (19)
15) W L.Komarov (25)

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07-18-2012, 07:59 PM
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Thats not right..

Burke has said guys like D'Amigo will challenge for jobs and Holzer just signed a one way deal.Becker could get called up half way in for injury relief.Komarov will get a long look too.Colborne has a small chance but he needs a lot of injuries.

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Could've used Ashton against the Bruins, especially in game 7.

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