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07-18-2012, 09:40 AM
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so, the Owner's lock the players out... but can still them they have to abide by the agreements they've made?

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Players under NHL contracts can only play in the AHL if their NHL team loans them there. Once a lockout hits, the NHL teams can't do that.

Girgorenko wouldn't be able to sign a separate AHL deal. This is why almost everyone went to Europe the last time.

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The agreement is separate from the CBA, even though I believe it is in the CBA as well.
The agreement is between the CHL and the AHL.

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so, the Owner's lock the players out... but can still them they have to abide by the agreements they've made?

Weird
I believe the agreement is between the NHL, AHL and CHL.

The AHL could choose to ignore the agreement, I suppose, but that would go over poorly and quite possibly not even be legal for them to do.

I'm trying to find formal information on it.

edit: Yeah, Chain has it right.

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Players under NHL contracts can only play in the AHL if their NHL team loans them there. Once a lockout hits, the NHL teams can't do that.

Girgorenko wouldn't be able to sign a separate AHL deal. This is why almost everyone went to Europe the last time.
I suppose that makes a certain kind of sense, but I'm with Jame -- still seems weird. If the league in question is currently defunct, it seems like their ex-players should be able to do whatever.

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The agreement is between the CHL and the AHL.
Ah. Well then.

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Was a bit worried they were going to throw millions at him.

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Players under NHL contracts can only play in the AHL if their NHL team loans them there. Once a lockout hits, the NHL teams can't do that.

Girgorenko wouldn't be able to sign a separate AHL deal. This is why almost everyone went to Europe the last time.
Miller, Roy, Pommer, Vanek, Goose were on ELCs and played in Rochester during the lockout.

(yes, they were all 20 or older)

I guess I don't understand why the agreement preventing CHL players under 20 from playing in the AHL would remain in place during a lockout.

but im slow when it comes to this stuff

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The agreement is between the CHL and the AHL.
that makes sense

that's all you had to say

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The agreement is between the CHL and the AHL.
I was under the impression it was an NHL/CHL thing, based on this:

http://prospectsannex.blogspot.com/2...ave-to-be.html

But I'd have to check the CBA again to be sure.

EDIT :

Hockey Prospectus also talks about it being NHL/CHL:

http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=804


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Miller, Roy, Pommer, Vanek, Goose were on ELCs and played in Rochester during the lockout.

(yes, they were all 20 or older)

I guess I don't understand why the agreement preventing CHL players under 20 from playing in the AHL would remain in place during a lockout.

but im slow when it comes to this stuff
They were on ELCs, but already assigned to the AHL pre-lockout if my memory is correct.

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I wasn't too worried about Grigs signing in the KHL. But, seeing this being made official was nice to see.

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Good to hear.

I don't see him making the team after his nine-game look, nor do I think it'd be right for his development. That said, should he make the team, I'd like to see him play with Pominville. And I hope he tears it up.

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They were on ELCs, but already assigned to the AHL pre-lockout if my memory is correct.
I remember they had to assign Roy for a few games at the end of 04 so he would be able to Play in Roch during the lockout.

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at least the deal is done. If he doesn't make the team(which I don't think he will) let him go back to junior get stronger, refine his game and we'll see where he is at next year.

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It's an old explanation, my mistake -

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There is a private agreement in place between the NHL and the CHL that governs when a player coming from the CHL can play in the AHL. A player from the CHL has to either turn 20 by December 31st of the season (ie a player born in 1987 can start playing in the 2007-08 season, a player born in 1988 can start playing in the 2008-09 season etc.) OR have completed 4 seasons of junior eligibility. This agreement also covers European players if they are drafted out of the CHL (Examples would be players like Petr Vrana and Ivan Vishnevskiy). Also - CHL players are eligible to play in the AHL once their junior season is over (either by virtue of their team junior not making the playoffs or being eliminated from the playoffs) even if they don't yet meet the age or eligibility criteria listed above.

College players and European players (provided they are drafted out of Europe--even if they later play in the CHL) are not covered by this agreement. They only have to abide by the AHL's age requirement, which is that a player has to turn 18 by September 15 of any given season to be eligible to play. While you won't see many 18-year olds in the AHL, some European players have played at that age (e.g. Niklas Bergfors)

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It's an old explanation, my mistake -
Good explanation.

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As an aside, there's some belief that this NHL/CHL/AHL may be nearing its end. Many teams dislike having to choose between whether their top prospects have to be rushed to the NHL during their 19/20 season, or be sent back to the CHL where many just dominate--with skill or physicality--but don't necessarily develop their skills as much as they may in the AHL playing against men. Recall Regier stating that it would have been ideal to put Kassian in the AHL in 2010-11 rather than having to send him back to Windsor, where he was at risk for a very long suspension if he had further transgressions. This year, Ryan Strome, Jonathan Huberdeau and several others would be sent back if they don't make their NHL teams. If Grigorenko doesn't make the Sabres in 2013-14, either, back to the QMJHL he goes. It's going to be interesting to see if it's discussed in CBA negotiations.

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This thread needs more confirmation.

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This thread needs more confirmation.
Are you confirming?

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This thread needs more confirmation.
Well, it's still not up on TBN yet.
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BUFFALO, N.Y. (July 18, 2012) --- Buffalo Sabres General Manager Darcy Regier today announced that the team has signed forward Mikhail Grigorenko to a three-year, entry-level contract.

Link: http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=638158

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He's a gifted talent. I hate the thought of ruff trying to grind him into a bottom six forward.

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He's a gifted talent. I hate the thought of ruff trying to grind him into a bottom six forward.

If Grigorenko makes the team my guess is that yes, he'll see somewhat sheltered minutes, but not in a grinder's capacity. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

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2:30PM presser:
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Terms of Grigorenko's contract were not immediately available. More details will be announced at a 2:30 p.m. news conference.

Link: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...th-sabres.html

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Suppose he surprises and comes into camp much stronger.

Ruff is on record saying that Ennis will be stepping into a much larger role this year - does that mean Grigorenko slides into the role Ennis filled late last year?

Tinkering with line combos... breaking up FES.

Leino-Ennis-Pominville
Ott-Hodgson-Vanek
Foligno-Grigorenko-Stafford

But if the plan (as Regier alluded to earlier this off-season) is to keep that FES chemistry constant:

Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Hodgson-Vanek
Leino-Grigorenko-Pominville

Personally, I'd love to see:

Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp
Ott-Grigorenko-Pominville

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I'll be glad when I hear he's staying in Buffalo and on a crazy conditioning program.

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