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07-18-2012, 11:03 AM
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Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread (All Weber Talk Here - No, they can't trade him)

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Wait, you guys wouldn't do this?

Christ. That would give us an A-level prospect, young physical star player and a top pairing 40-50 point 21 year old defenseman.
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No kidding.

Nothing against Hall, but I feel he has the most overinflated value of the big-4 around the NHL.

Bobby Ryan is a player I hope Hall can become to be. Solid 2-way player. Fowler is a huge upgrade on our defense. And Etem is one of the top prospects outside the NHL right now. I doubt any Ducks fan approves this.
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Nah, not interested in trading Hall at this point.
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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. The overvaluation of Hall is incredible sometimes.
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Oilers took Hall along to pump up the organization when they met with J.Schultz.
Not the captain, not the #1C, not the wonder boy Ebs but Hall.
This is Hall's team going forward and trading him now would not make any sense.
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Trading him if the return was right makes sense. I hope management is smart enough to realize that not a single player on the Oilers roster is safe from trade when the the success of the organization could be further strengthened.
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Hall was on pace for as many goals as Eberle this season. The 'over-valuation' makes sense since he is still 20 while Ebs is 22.
7 game winners last season makes him as 'clutch' as Ebs (4).
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How does Fowler make sense? There is no shortage of grit-challenged Dmen on this team. Bobby Ryan is a great player but Hall will be as good and is part of the core.
Only reason I would get Fowler is because he was a teammate of Hall and it would reunite them.
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We also have an abundance of d-men who can't score or make an outlet pass either.
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We'd run Bobby Ryan out of this town so fast it wouldn't be funny. He's a big player that Sam Gagner is more physical then. He's like the Tom Poti of wingers.

Cam Fowler is trending nicely but there's still hurdles for him to get over before he really becomes a difference maker.

Etem is fast that's all I honestly know about him.
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So getting rid of a future captain and our #1 LW (at 20 years of age no less) will fix that?

Getting rid of Hall and breaking up the dynamic duo of Hall and Ebs ...It's just not a very good idea IMO. Let's see how the kid is when fully healed at least, and not playing at 75-80%.

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@ DerpMorg re scoring and outlet passes


Lets see how this Schultz kid plays next season. I have a feeling he might come close to Fowler's points total of last season (29 in 82 GP) without being a -28. (-53 in 2 seasons).

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@ Derpmorg "The overvaluation of Hall is incredible sometimes"?

He's a 1st overall pick that was on pace for 30 goals+ in his 2nd season. Are you kidding me?

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In Elliott Freeman's final thoughts of the year he mentions that the Oiler's were/are taking a long look at Mark Streit in NYI.

What would you think it would take to get him? He is only signed for one more year at a 4.1mil cap hit and is 34 years old.

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@ Derpmorg "The overvaluation of Hall is incredible sometimes"?

He's a 1st overall pick that was on pace for 30 goals+ in his 2nd season. Are you kidding me?
A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!

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A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!
Bobby Ryan's "rookie year" was 3 years after his draft. Big difference.

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A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!
To say Ryan scored 30 goals in his rookie year while Hall did not (as if they are equivalent) is a bit misleading. Ryan was drafted in 2005 and had 23 NHL games experience (+2 playoff games) before playing his rookie season in 2008/09.

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A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!
as a 20yo Ryan was moving between AHL and NHL scoring 23GP-5G-5A-10pt in the NHL and PPG in the AHL.

Hall as a 20yo is much further ahead and has it in him to match Ryan's stats going forward.

Also, last season Hall scored only 4 less points then Ryan in 20+ less games.

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Bobby Ryan's "rookie year" was 3 years after his draft. Big difference.
Okay. Regardless, he hit the 30-goal plateau as a 21-year old ROOKIE. In only 67 games. Hall is entering his 21-year old season as a 3rd year player. I hope he can crack that barrier this year.

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In Elliott Freeman's final thoughts of the year he mentions that the Oiler's were/are taking a long look at Mark Streit in NYI.

What would you think it would take to get him? He is only signed for one more year at a 4.1mil cap hit and is 34 years old.
Not on the market.

NYI finally have a respectable D(on paper anyway), I doubt they trade one of the best pieces of that D.

At this point, since options for trade seem to be drying up, I'm definitely warming up to the idea of throwing a 1 year deal towards Roszival. He'd a RHD who's decent defensively.

While he's not ideal, he'd be an upgrade over one of Potter/Peckham/Sutton.

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Okay. Regardless, he hit the 30-goal plateau as a 21-year old ROOKIE. In only 67 games. Hall is entering his 21-year old season as a 3rd year player. I hope he can crack that barrier this year.
On that team.

Ryan Getzlaf 81 25 66 91
Corey Perry 78 32 40 72
Scott Niedermayer 82 14 45 59
Bobby Ryan 64 31 26 57
Teemu Selanne 65 27 27 54
Chris Pronger 82 11 37 48

Put Hall on that team at 21 and see how he does.

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On that team.

Ryan Getzlaf 81 25 66 91
Corey Perry 78 32 40 72
Scott Niedermayer 82 14 45 59
Bobby Ryan 64 31 26 57
Teemu Selanne 65 27 27 54
Chris Pronger 82 11 37 48

Put Hall on that team at 21 and see how he does.
No kidding.

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A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!
Tyler "The Sniper" Seguin 81gp. 29 goals
Taylor "The Non Sniper" Hall 61gp. 27 goals

Had Hall played even 70 games last year he gets to 30 and then some. His problem has been injuries bot a lack of ability. What's Seguin's excuse since you hold him in such high regard?

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Should be interesting if the oilers do sign gagner before arbitration

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In Elliott Freeman's final thoughts of the year he mentions that the Oiler's were/are taking a long look at Mark Streit in NYI.

What would you think it would take to get him? He is only signed for one more year at a 4.1mil cap hit and is 34 years old.
I don't see why NYI would move him to be honest. Maybe at the deadline. He might be one of a handful of UFA's that got 20+ mil ufa deal and wasn't a bust.

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On that team.

Ryan Getzlaf 81 25 66 91
Corey Perry 78 32 40 72
Scott Niedermayer 82 14 45 59
Bobby Ryan 64 31 26 57
Teemu Selanne 65 27 27 54
Chris Pronger 82 11 37 48

Put Hall on that team at 21 and see how he does.
Yeah, thats a fair argument. I still think its worth noting that he didn't get 1st unit PP time with that team either.

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Tyler "The Sniper" Seguin 81gp. 29 goals
Taylor "The Non Sniper" Hall 61gp. 27 goals

Had Hall played even 70 games last year he gets to 30 and then some. His problem has been injuries bot a lack of ability. What's Seguin's excuse since you hold him in such high regard?
There's none needed. He had more goals...

And "sniper" has more to do with his shot, not goals scored. By your definition Ryan Smyth was a top sniper in the league when he was scoring 35+ earlier in his career.

Watch a highlight reel of goals scored by these two players. One seems to snipe all his goals in. The other seems to get most of his goals from crashing the net or cleaning up rebounds.

Both are effective because they result in goals. There's just different ways of classifying scores. Seguin has a better shot than Hall. It doesn't mean he's gonna score more goals per se. He doesn't get nearly the number of scoring chances that Hall gets.


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The Blue Jays have become unwatchable.

The Tour de France sucks without Ryder Hesjedal.

Our GM is in a coma. lol

Someone better fire up an Olympic Games Sticky. We need something to save this summer.

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A plateau Ryan hit in his rookie season, and has hit 4 years in a row now...

Again, you're overvaluing him. He hasn't even hit the 30-goal plateau yet!
He had 27 goals in 61 games as a sophomore playing with a bum shoulder, pretty damn impressive if you ask me.

I know that Hall is apparently "not a nice guy" at the bars or something like that but he's the leader of this team, he will be the next captain of this team, has a legendary will to win, is the spokesman of the team (listen to his interviews) and yeah, he's pretty damn good at hockey so people really need to stop putting him in trade proposals, just stop the madness.
His importance to this team goes well beyond stats. He would be the last guy that i would trade outside of MAYBE RNH.

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The Blue Jays have become unwatchable.

The Tour de France sucks without Ryder Hesjedal.

Our GM is in a coma. lol

Someone better fire up an Olympic Games Sticky. We need something to save this summer.
I disagree. Watching the Yankees roll over the Jays is incredibly watchable if you ask me.

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In Elliott Freeman's final thoughts of the year he mentions that the Oiler's were/are taking a long look at Mark Streit in NYI.

What would you think it would take to get him? He is only signed for one more year at a 4.1mil cap hit and is 34 years old.
God, let it be Horcoff. The Isles need salary back, because they're at the floor. Lets package up Horcoff and Potter.

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Should be interesting if the oilers do sign gagner before arbitration
arbitration is on Friday, correct?

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@ Derpmorg "The overvaluation of Hall is incredible sometimes"?

He's a 1st overall pick that was on pace for 30 goals+ in his 2nd season. Are you kidding me?
Which would land us Ryan and Fowler. Are you kidding me? Really kidding me? Kiiiidddddddiiinngggg mmeeeeee.

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arbitration is on Friday, correct?
Yes.

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There's none needed. He had more goals...

And "sniper" has more to do with his shot, not goals scored. By your definition Ryan Smyth was a top sniper in the league when he was scoring 35+ earlier in his career.

Watch a highlight reel of goals scored by these two players. One seems to snipe all his goals in. The other seems to get most of his goals from crashing the net or cleaning up rebounds.

Both are effective because they result in goals. There's just different ways of classifying scores. Seguin has a better shot than Hall. It doesn't mean he's gonna score more goals per se. He doesn't get nearly the number of scoring chances that Hall gets.
He had more goals. He had TWO more goals.

You make it sound like he has a substantial lead on goal totals than Hall.

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