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[PHI] Shea Weber Signs Offer Sheet With Flyers, 14yrs/$100m+

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07-19-2012, 01:10 AM
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It sucks for Nashville that both their players are effectively being poached but ******* I love Homer more and more.

Summer of '11 - "Oh we need a goalie? **** it, get it done." "Richards and Carter? **** it we're gettin youth"

Summer of '12 - "Defensive problems? **** it Weber and Schenn"

In two offseasons they added to every facet of their game and made a much more competitive product. I wish Burke would take a page from them. 1 year has given Toronto Jay McClement, Carter Ashton and Morgan Rielly. :/

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Wow what a thread.

Read the first 15 pages. Some really good responses.

So here's what I gather is undeniable.

Philly and Nashvile were talking about a trade. Philly lost their patience and then decided to throw the offer sheet.

If Nashville doesn't match, they'll get 4 1st rounders. They'll all be 16th overall or later.


Here's what I think is something to consider possible:

Weber doesn't want to play in Nashville and Philly knows it.

Philly doesn't want to risk Weber having a chance with signing with another team in the East.

Pronger is done.

Nashville wanted something like Giroux or one of Philly's top defender + Schenn for Weber.

If Nashville doesn't match they'll be forced into a rebuild because they're weak up front, too young on the blueline after losing their two top defenders and they already have a hard time attracting free agents.

And here's my opinion on the matter


Two different things will happen.


You can't replace guys like Suter and Weber. You can't get a fair trade for guys of this caliber.

If Nashville matches the offer sheet, Weber will demand a trade and it will get ugly. Much worse than the Rick Nash situation. Nashville will hold out for a long time to try to get what they believe to be fair exchange for Weber. They'll eventually compromise and receive a significant package, it'll have hurt them big time in the end.

If Nashville doesn't match the offer sheet they'll be a bottom 10 team in the league. They'll be forced into a rebuild. Ticket sales will diminish and TSN will blow their horn every other day about how Nashville should relocate to a Canadian city.
Preds are better off going full rebuild IMO. They could use those 1sts as trade bait to speed up the process.

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07-19-2012, 01:11 AM
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where was claude giroux drafted?
early 20s, 1st rd

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Wow what a thread.

Read the first 15 pages. Some really good responses.

So here's what I gather is undeniable.

Philly and Nashvile were talking about a trade. Philly lost their patience and then decided to throw the offer sheet.

If Nashville doesn't match, they'll get 4 1st rounders. They'll all be 16th overall or later.


Here's what I think is something to consider possible:

Weber doesn't want to play in Nashville and Philly knows it.

Philly doesn't want to risk Weber having a chance with signing with another team in the East.

Pronger is done.

Nashville wanted something like Giroux or one of Philly's top defender + Schenn for Weber.

If Nashville doesn't match they'll be forced into a rebuild because they're weak up front, too young on the blueline after losing their two top defenders and they already have a hard time attracting free agents.

And here's my opinion on the matter


Two different things will happen.


You can't replace guys like Suter and Weber. You can't get a fair trade for guys of this caliber.

If Nashville matches the offer sheet, Weber will demand a trade and it will get ugly. Much worse than the Rick Nash situation. Nashville will hold out for a long time to try to get what they believe to be fair exchange for Weber. They'll eventually compromise and receive a significant package, it'll have hurt them big time in the end.

If Nashville doesn't match the offer sheet they'll be a bottom 10 team in the league. They'll be forced into a rebuild. Ticket sales will diminish and TSN will blow their horn every other day about how Nashville should relocate to a Canadian city.
they have a year before they have to worry a long time to negotiate with other teams for a fair package and get a bidding war going for late next July assuming he wants out at all.

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07-19-2012, 01:12 AM
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You're okay as a Preds fan with 4 first rounder from Philly for Weber?
I don't see how they don't match. The one year limit is 14 million and the Preds must have been willing to pay at least that if they could have kept Suter for the two of them. If they pay Weber the 14 and trade him after one year they are in much better position. Nevermind just keeping him. Because the caphit could be lower by probably 5-6 million than actual dollars the Preds would be forced to spend over the floor by that much, but it's doubtful to me that wouldn't be feasible.

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Or Nashville could say "No you play here or you don't play at all."
The drama he could cause if he really wanted out would not be worth trying to get him to accept playing for Nashville. It would be a complete dick move on Weber's part, but he would get out of Nashville. I'm not sure if he has a NMC, but if he doesn't he's not going to Philly after what the Flyers tried to pull. I would not be surprised if the Preds traded him to the Penguins or Rangers just to say F you to Philly lol. The Rangers definitely have pieces they could move, I'm not so sure about the Pens.

In all likelihood however Philly F'd it up for everyone and he stays in Nashville forever.

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But Snider is too rich, he'll match. You can't poison pill the Flyers, they have comcast money.
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That's really not a problem. Most of us assume Voracek will come in somewhere between $3 and $3.5--if Nashville (or any other team) wants to push it to $4.5/$5, it just means that they have to dump a contract somewhere.

I don't mind this move by the Flyers. Best case, Nashville doesn't match, and/ or they work out a deal to trade some of those picks back to the Flyers for current players / prospects. Worst case, Nashville does match, and he stays in the Western conference.
I agree, wasn't saying Philly wouldn't match, but rather than Nashville would do it out of spite. IMO Philly would match easily, but it would put them in a bit of a worse situation, as they were probably hoping for something in the lower 3s range.

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It sucks for Nashville that both their players are effectively being poached but ******* I love Homer more and more.

Summer of '11 - "Oh we need a goalie? **** it, get it done." "Richards and Carter? **** it we're gettin youth"

Summer of '12 - "Defensive problems? **** it Weber and Schenn"

In two offseasons they added to every facet of their game and made a much more competitive product. I wish Burke would take a page from them. 1 year has given Toronto Jay McClement, Carter Ashton and Morgan Rielly. :/
Burkes a neutered dog that needs to be put out of his misery. Can't wait for the next GM.

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07-19-2012, 01:12 AM
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Anyone else think Holmgren is playing with fire?

Simmonds, Giroux, Couturier, and Schenn all RFA within the next 2 years

CBA will likely stomp out these long-term cap friendly deals
not really. They have Timonen and Hartnell coming off the books next offseason. They will have roughly 15 million in UFA contracts coming off the books next offseason. They will be fine regardless if Weber is a Flyer or not.

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Why are you so mad? This doesn't even effect your team.
We're bitter right now man, seriously. So choked right now. Holmgren with all his faults has balls of steel.

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Flyers never learn. They should have kept Richards and Carter and worked it out. Those were good contracts. Those two guys are drinking from the cup right now.
I would trade Carter for Coturier every day.

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It sucks for Nashville that both their players are effectively being poached but ******* I love Homer more and more.

Summer of '11 - "Oh we need a goalie? **** it, get it done." "Richards and Carter? **** it we're gettin youth"

Summer of '12 - "Defensive problems? **** it Weber and Schenn"

In two offseasons they added to every facet of their game and made a much more competitive product. I wish Burke would take a page from them. 1 year has given Toronto Jay McClement, Carter Ashton and Morgan Rielly. :/
Flyers are at the cap limit and they still don't have a goalie. Yea real smart.

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early 20s, 1st rd
We forgot....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcmdn...yer_detailpage

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And if the cap drops? Those numbers would have to be shaved down.


Either way, that doesn't preclude a match. There are a number of teams in the NHL that would be happy to add Weber for that price. If the NHL approves the contract, that is....
Jack J hit the nail on the head. The flyers are cash rich and that is what cash rich teams are able to do. No team can offer 56 mill the first 4 years to be honest.

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Based on this post and the 20 others you have made only 1 conclusion can be drawn; somebodies wet dream was crushed in an instant tonight.

Hey, relax pal. You look like you need a rest, guy.


I have been sitting back on the Weber situation thinking "this will be a great UFA situation and Weber will get options. Will likely go to a good team... Nucks, Flyers... whoever..."

There's going to be fans of other teams just as unhappy with this, especially out West where the Flyers just guaranteed Weber is in Nashville for life instead of waiting 12 months and going for it then.

Just so so illogical.

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I'd say these two teams won't be making any trades with one another any time soon.

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He's worth this contract IMO. Very sad right now.
14 years is a LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGG LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGGG time. If he ends up becoming injury riddled in the first 5 years of the deal all of a sudden it looks like the Dipietro contract. Here's to hoping that he stays healthy and productive for the duration of the contract so that both the player and the team gets what they want out of this deal.

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Except the actual analogy would be having 2 choices:

1. compete with 12-20 dudes for the hottest girl knowing she is 100% able to go

or

2. get an acceptance from the hottest girl when you know there's a 99% chance she will die of aids before the prom
...Now you're just being ridiculous.

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Flyers are at the cap limit and they still don't have a goalie. Yea real smart.
One bad year for bryz and he is no longer a goalie

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There are only 2 right scenarios for Nashville
1.Match the offersheet, bite the bullet on bonus money for one year and trade him to the highest bidder after one year if Weber wants out. Nashville won't have to honor any NMC/NTCs.
2.Match the offersheet and they have their franchise defense-man for life.

Weber is an asset which won't lose any value during next 5 years(barring catastrophic injuries) and losing him for 4 low firsts makes little business sense.

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So, Philly drafted Nashville's contract for them? How nice of Holmgren...
Gotta admire his aggressive style though.

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That is a possibility, but it could also be because he just wanted a big contract done before the CBA expired. I seriously doubt these types of contracts will be allowed in the new CBA.
Why not? The owners will just find loopholes and be as hypocritical as ever.

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I'd say these two teams won't be making any trades with one another any time soon.
Bingo.

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How often does that happen? we are talking about one of the best defencemen in the league. I would rather have Weber over Giroux
I wouldn't. I wouldnt trade him for weber either. I'd rather do what holmgren just pulled.

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crosby, malkin, stamkos, giroux. that's my top 4. don't argue, i'm not budging.
Weird not seeing OV in there. Hopefully that changes this upcoming season

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