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Weber signed to offer sheet (TSN: 14 yrs, 110m, cap hit $7.8m per yr.)

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07-19-2012, 02:39 AM
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Jets fan here...

Zero chance Nashville doesn't match.

You've done nothing but make an enemy. If you guys ever have an RFA at any point in the future, Nashville will make him an offer sheet, forcing you guys to pay up, ****ing up your cap and what not.

If i were you guys, i'd be straight up pissed off with Holmgren
People do know that you don't have to sign an offer sheet, right?

Ooooohhhhh he gave him an offer sheet

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Jets fan here...

Zero chance Nashville doesn't match.

You've done nothing but make an enemy. If you guys ever have an RFA at any point in the future, Nashville will make him an offer sheet, forcing you guys to pay up, ****ing up your cap and what not.

If i were you guys, i'd be straight up pissed off with Holmgren
I doubt it. From the sounds of it, Homer and Poile have been talking for a while.

If Poile didnt want it to come to this, he could have made his mind up sooner.


Besides, Holmgren now assured the Preds that they will be compensated for the potential loss of Weber. It would have been devastating to lose him for nothing on July 1st next summer. EDIT: Not that this isnt potentially devastating-- but at least Poile can decide his own fate now.

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07-19-2012, 02:41 AM
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John Boruk had a column dated June 20 on the matter ("Here are eight reasons I believe the Flyers should submit an offer sheet for Predators defenseman Shea Weber"), since posted on Kukla's site:

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...D=704&tw_p=twt
Those are more like reasons why they should acquire Weber, not extend him an offer sheet. The only one that was really in favor of an offer sheet is the being able to get him on an extended contract before CBA, which isn't guaranteed to change all that much. Not once does the writer really consider the possibility that Nashville would match the offer, which is their only move at this point. They have to match now. It just doesn't make sense.

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07-19-2012, 02:42 AM
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Jets fan here...

Zero chance Nashville doesn't match.

You've done nothing but make an enemy. If you guys ever have an RFA at any point in the future, Nashville will make him an offer sheet, forcing you guys to pay up, ****ing up your cap and what not.

If i were you guys, i'd be straight up pissed off with Holmgren
What is cashed strapped Nashville gonna do?

We are shaking in our collective boots.

It's business.

besides, Poile should send Homer a muffin basket because Homer just sealed Weber as a life time Predator if Nashville wants him.

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07-19-2012, 02:43 AM
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Eklund is saying the numbers of the deal are higher. He had the coburn signing correct let's hope he has this correct. We need to make it a huge amount of money

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People do know that you don't have to sign an offer sheet, right?

Ooooohhhhh he gave him an offer sheet
Thats why they make "him" an offer "he" cannot refuse...

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What is cashed strapped Nashville gonna do?

We are shaking in our collective boots.

it's business.
it's 7.1 averaged over 14 years. granted that's before bonuses, but they would have matched any offer on suter.

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What is cashed strapped Nashville gonna do?

We are shaking in our collective boots.

It's business.

besides, Poile should send Homer a muffin basket because Homer just sealed Weber as a life time Predator if Nashville wants him.
Cash strapped? lol.

They have the same cap as every other team in NHL.

You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.

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Cash strapped? lol.

They have the same cap as every other team in NHL.

You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.
Weber could be getting paid more than 3 times his cap hit for the first year. That money doesn't come from nowhere, someone has to pay that.

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it's 7.1 averaged over 14 years. granted that's before bonuses, but they would have matched any offer on suter.
Trust me. It's probably higher.

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
numbers are higher.


I wouldn't be shocked if his cap hit was over 8.5m

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Cash strapped? lol.

They have the same cap as every other team in NHL.

You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.
Yes, cash strapped. Not every team has the money to spend to the cap


And can you show me examples of teams retaliating in the past? GMs dont retaliate. They do what is best for their teams. If that means screwing someone over in the process, then great-- but dont think Poile will be sitting in his office planning Holmgren's demise. He has his team to worry about. That is business.

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Weber could be getting paid more than 3 times his cap hit for the first year. That money doesn't come from nowhere, someone has to pay that.
Is this a fact?

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07-19-2012, 02:51 AM
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Cash strapped? lol.

They have the same cap as every other team in NHL.

You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.

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Is this a fact?
I said "could be" for a reason, Eklund is actually reporting the numbers are higher.

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Cap's got to be higher. No way does Weber take a lower cap hit than his buddy Suter did. I'm predicting total 125-130 mil over 14 years.

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07-19-2012, 02:53 AM
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Honestly, I don't know why Homer did this. I came here looking for ideas in case there was something I missed, but it just seems so crazy. Nashville is guaranteed to match. Hell, they might even match first thing in the morning. They are under the floor, and if Weber wants to be traded, the market just got larger than ever for Weber. Teams, like the Islanders, who also need to worry about the cap floor, had no interest in him because they would have to spend a fortune and he would leave in a year, now he can go anywhere as he is signed till all eternity. He could arguably cost more for the Flyers in a trade now that his value and marketability has shot up. I don't know why they wouldn't just wait for free agency if a trade couldn't be made. This makes little sense to me. I love the Flyers, but man this move leaves me puzzled.
I have a hunch why. i mentioned it on the main board.
The Flyers dont have the player assets(well without crippling their depth) to trade for Weber. They want Weber. They also know that teams like Pittsburgh and the Rangers have the player assets Nashville would require in a deal.
I do agree that Nashville matches. They would be pretty dumb not to. So Holmgren keeps the best defenseman in the NHL away from his main rivals regardless of what happens.
The only question I have, and I guess this gets answered later today is the the potential NTC. Holmgren gives em out like candy. To an elite player like Weber it may be safe to say he got one.
Now in a trade its optional for the club getting the player with the NTC to honor it. Since this is an offersheet and not an actual trade would a full NTC stay with Weber in Nashville.

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it's 7.1 averaged over 14 years. granted that's before bonuses, but they would have matched any offer on suter.
The 7.5+ (which I am assuming it will be) is not the issue. 7.5+ cap hit is more than reasonable at face value for a talent like Weber.

The issue is the rumored 26+ million in actual money owed to Weber over the next calendar year. The Predators don't have that kind of money to throw around.

Nashville ownership is gonna have to think looooooong and hard about paying that kind of dough for 1 guy (especially for a team that won't be as competitive as they have been). It's not up to Poile anymore, it's up to his ownership.

I don't think it is as slam dunk as people believe. At the end of the day, I think they match.. but it is gonna be a very tough call for their ownership to make.

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Probably wishfull thinking, but if Weber really wanted out of Nashville, would he really sign an offer sheet that the Preds could match?

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You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.
Except...it does.

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You'll be overpaying for someone in the future. This **** doesn't go down without someone retaliating.
We're still waiting for the Vancouver retaliation for Kesler......

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Probably wishfull thinking, but if Weber really wanted out of Nashville, would he really sign an offer sheet that the Preds could match?
This is what I don't understand either.

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I bet it's somewhere around 14 years and $126m. That of course frontloaded as much as possible including the magic $26m number in the first year.

That $125m number puts Weber at $9.00m/year.

Next year drop Timonen's $6.33m from that, and we replaced and upgraded Timonen for an extra $2.67m/year.

Not bad.

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Yes, cash strapped. Not every team has the money to spend to the cap


And can you show me examples of teams retaliating in the past? GMs dont retaliate. They do what is best for their teams. If that means screwing someone over in the process, then great-- but dont think Poile will be sitting in his office planning Holmgren's demise. He has his team to worry about. That is business.
Nashville, however, is going to spend to the cap.

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Here's what I think would be close to the real terms

1 14m + 12m bonus
2 14m + 12m bonus
3 10m
4 8m
5 8m
6 8m
7 8m
8 8m
9 8m
10 6m
11 6m
12 4m
13 2m
14 2m

130m over 14 years

9.285m a year. Could Nashville match something like that if it's that high?

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