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Weber signed to offer sheet (TSN: 14 yrs, 110m, cap hit $7.8m per yr.)

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07-19-2012, 05:32 AM
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What we know:

Weber will either be a Flyer next year or he will be a Predator.

Rest of the league, trade board and all, can shove it.

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Uh, wtf?

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Is it $26m or $28m?

So $14m for the 1st season and $14m July 1st next year. That's $28m in a calender year yes?

Just so we're all on the same page.

I'm talking over the course of the next calender year; the 2012-13 season.

You're right though. It's only an extra $14m, not $28m tagged onto the salary next year. That doesn't seem so bad, but it still puts a significant strangle hold on the organization's funds.
Now I agree.

Another thing that just crossed my mind: If Nashville matches they have to pay the complete salaries for the first two seasons, there is no way around. They can't trade him before July 19th 2013, but next seasons "signing bonus" will be payable July 1st. If they match, he will hit the market 2014 at best.

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Now I agree.

Another thing that just crossed my mind: If Nashville matches the have to pay the complete salaries for the first two season, there is no way around. They can't trade him before July 19th 2013, but next seasons "signing bonus" will be payable July 1st. If they match, he will hit the market 2014 at best.
Oh yeah, that's right. It's a 365 day hold.

So if Nashville does match, the bulk of that 100m+ is in the first two years (at LEAST 25% of it). They will pay him over 25% of his salary just to trade him away?

Keep in mind that most of this is in BONUS money, not just regular salary for playing games. That means he gets paid now and July 1st next year. Nashville, should they match, are guaranteed to be on the hook for $26m dollars of that contract ($2 salary + $12 bonus now and $12 bonus on July 1st).

So should they trade him, they're paying 25% of his contract for one year of service.

They also still have to pay bonuses should there be a lockout.

Do I understand all of that correctly? If so, Nashville is pretty ****ed either way.

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I can't imagine why Homer would screw a franchise he has always had good relations with just to throw out an offer sheet that they can likely match - and have already publicly stated that they would match before the offseason started.

They either already have an agreement in place in respect to compensation on top of the 4 firsts like sending some roster players for picks or future considerations or they already know Weber will be a Flyer one way or another and even if Nashville matches the offer, they will trade him to PHI afterwards at some point.

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Oh yeah, that's right. It's a 365 day hold.

So if Nashville does match, the bulk of that 100m+ is in the first two years (at LEAST 25% of it). They will pay him over 25% of his salary just to trade him away?

Keep in mind that most of this is in BONUS money, not just regular salary for playing games. That means he gets paid now and July 1st next year. Nashville, should they match, are guaranteed to be on the hook for $26m dollars of that contract ($2 salary + $12 bonus now and $12 bonus on July 1st).

So should they trade him, they're paying 25% of his contract for one year of service.

They also still have to pay bonuses should there be a lockout.

Do I understand all of that correctly? If so, Nashville is pretty ****ed either way.
I'm thinking the deal is close to 14 years at 125m to 130m.. Still a big chunk for nashville to pay to trade him away..

I think they have 1 of 5 options

1 Match the deal and keep weber for 14 years
2 Take the compensation
3 Take the compensation and trade it back to Philadelphia for players that were being discussed
4 Take the compensation and trade for someone like Yandle to replace Weber
5 Match and trade weber next summer

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Oh yeah, that's right. It's a 365 day hold.

So if Nashville does match, the bulk of that 100m+ is in the first two years (at LEAST 25% of it). They will pay him over 25% of his salary just to trade him away?

Keep in mind that most of this is in BONUS money, not just regular salary for playing games. That means he gets paid now and July 1st next year. Nashville, should they match, are guaranteed to be on the hook for $26m dollars of that contract ($2 salary + $12 bonus now and $12 bonus on July 1st).

So should they trade him, they're paying 25% of his contract for one year of service.

They also still have to pay bonuses should there be a lockout.

Do I understand all of that correctly? If so, Nashville is pretty ****ed either way.
They don't have to trade him next offseason ... they won't pay his salary and when trade him away, there are another 11 offseasons there he can be moved. That's why I said he won't hit the market before 2014.

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1 Match the deal and keep weber for 14 years
2 Take the compensation
3 Take the compensation and trade it back to Philadelphia for players that were being discussed
4 Take the compensation and trade for someone like Yandle to replace Weber
5 Match and trade weber next summer after paying 25% of his contract
Really though. How appealing does #5 really look?

#1 or #2. I can't see anything else happening here.

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They don't have to trade him next offseason ... they won't pay his salary and than trade him away, there are another 11 offseasons there he can be moved. That's why I said he won't hit the market before 2014.
Which keeps the Atlantic rivals from getting their paws on Weber as well. "If I can't have him, no one can!"

He stays on a non-competitive Nashville team where he can do no harm to us.

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They don't have to trade him next offseason ... they won't pay his salary and than trade him away, there are another 11 offseasons there he can be moved. That's why I said he won't hit the market before 2014.
I don't think Weber signs a 14 year contract without a NMC.

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I don't think Weber signs a 14 year contract without a NMC.
Does Weber want to even be in Nashville?

I don't think an NMC is going to keep him from wanting to leave if he wants to leave. It's his decision after all.

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Really though. How appealing does #5 really look?

#1 or #2. I can't see anything else happening here.



Which keeps the Atlantic rivals from getting their paws on Weber as well. "If I can't have him, no one can!"

He stays on a non-competitive Nashville team where he can do no harm to us.
They could possibly get a bigger payday for #5 in a trade with teams for weber.. But is it worth paying 26m?

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I don't think Weber signs a 14 year contract without a NMC.
Philly probably offered one.. That doesn't mean Nashville has to honor it

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I don't think Weber signs a 14 year contract without a NMC.
NMC don't carry over on matched contracts

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Does Weber want to even be in Nashville?

I don't think an NMC is going to keep him from wanting to leave if he wants to leave. It's his decision after all.
During the season he kept saying he wants to stay there with Suter.. But now that suter gave him the finger and left him there with very little, does he really want to stay there?

With poile shopping him and weber signing this deal, i'd say no

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I don't think Weber signs a 14 year contract without a NMC.
If they match, they won't try to trade him after paying all that money. If a trade happens, it's after Weber requested it.

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They could possibly get a bigger payday for #5 in a trade with teams for weber.. But is it worth paying 26m?
What's worth more to you if you're Nashville?

1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + $26m in your pocket

or

1st line winger + top 4 defenseman + high-end prospect + 1st + 2nd - $26m

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Does Weber want to even be in Nashville?

I don't think an NMC is going to keep him from wanting to leave if he wants to leave. It's his decision after all.
Right, but if he has a NMC he can pick from a limited selection of teams and those teams are going to be close to the cap ... similar to the Rick Nash situation right now which is a stall more or less.

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What's worth more to you if you're Nashville?

1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + $26m in your pocket

or

1st line winger + top 4 defenseman + high-end prospect + 1st + 2nd - $26m
THey'd probably be split on this. Maybe if it was a top line center they'd easily be for option 2

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THey'd probably be split on this. Maybe if it was a top line center they'd easily be for option 2
You don't just "get" 1Cs in the NHL.

Look at the return for Richards, Carter, and J. Staal.

If you think that's a 1C over a 1W, then you're saying Weber will double the value of those 3.

I don't think so.

A comparable package is:

Vorcaek + Meszaros + Laughton + 1st + 2nd - $26m

or

1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + $26m

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What's worth more to you if you're Nashville?

1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + $26m in your pocket

or

1st line winger + top 4 defenseman + high-end prospect + 1st + 2nd - $26m
If those players are signed for multiple years and we are talking about the Flyers 1st round picks which are actually closer to early second rounders, I would probably go with the second option.

Not sure if money is a crucial factor in this...

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If those players are signed for multiple years and we are talking about the Flyers 1st round picks which are actually closer to early second rounders, I would probably go with the second option.

Not sure if money is a crucial factor in this...
Don't let the fact that we're the Flyers fool you. $26m is a ****ton of money.

I can guarantee that it's not an easy decision strictly because of that large some of money involved now.

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You don't just "get" 1Cs in the NHL.

Look at the return for Richards, Carter, and J. Staal.

If you think that's a 1C over a 1W, then you're saying Weber will double the value of those 3.

I don't think so.

A comparable package is:

Vorcaek + Meszaros + Laughton + 1st + 2nd - $26m

or

1st + 1st + 1st + 1st + $26m
How's this?

Ryan + Sbisa + Etem + 1st + 2nd - 26m?

Looks much better than ours, which we consider Meszaros a salary dump in most trades, and laughton is a few years out


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If those players are signed for multiple years and we are talking about the Flyers 1st round picks which are actually closer to early second rounders, I would probably go with the second option.

Not sure if money is a crucial factor in this...
Yeah, it all depends on what players are being traded.

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On a related note, I cant wait to see the full details of this offersheet.. Wouldn't be shocked to see over 120m which would be 8.5m per

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How's this?

Ryan + Sbisa + Etem + 1st + 2nd - 26m?

Looks much better than ours, which we consider Meszaros a salary dump in most trades, and laughton is a few years out
That looks better than ours, and if I'm the Ducks, I don't consider offering that for Weber. I put Ryan in Richards territory more than Voracek territory. He may not be a 1C, but he's going to get return like one. That's a hefty boatload of goodies for Weber.

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That looks better than ours, and if I'm the Ducks, I don't consider offering that for Weber. I put Ryan in Richards territory more than Voracek territory. He may not be a 1C, but he's going to get return like one. That's a hefty boatload of goodies for Weber.
If he's matched and they trade him after this year, that's probably close to what he'd get in my opinion

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Damn, this one oilers fan is furious as hell about this

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