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Weber signed to offer sheet (TSN: 14 yrs, 110m, cap hit $7.8m per yr.)

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07-19-2012, 06:26 AM
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I might really hate you all soon. We are like a breeding ground for you. I don't like it. Stay away. Thanks.




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07-19-2012, 06:29 AM
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I might really hate you all soon. We are like a breeding ground for you. I don't like it. Stay away. Thanks.



Here's a deal

Don't match and take the 4 1sts

Trade them back to us and we will give you Schenn + Schenn + Meszaros + Gustafsson/bourdon

thoughts?

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07-19-2012, 06:36 AM
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Now speculation has begun Homer structured the contract to where Weber would be owed 26 million over a single calender year.

Nashville ownership is not gonna pay 26 million bones to a single player over a calender year.

I fail to see how this would be possible, since you can't pay more than some $14 millions a year (can't remember the exact amount).

Even if they could pay more, I'm sure the Kovalchuk-saga showed pretty clearly, that you can't mess with the contracts like that without getting punished by the NHL.

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07-19-2012, 06:41 AM
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I fail to see how this would be possible, since you can't pay more than some $14 millions a year (can't remember the exact amount).

Even if they could pay more, I'm sure the Kovalchuk-saga showed pretty clearly, that you can't mess with the contracts like that without getting punished by the NHL.
If they match, he can not be traded for 365 days

So, bonus of 12m, salary of 2m for this year
then on july 1st, he gets another bonus of 12m

So that's 26m in just under a year

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07-19-2012, 06:42 AM
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I fail to see how this would be possible, since you can't pay more than some $14 millions a year (can't remember the exact amount).

Even if they could pay more, I'm sure the Kovalchuk-saga showed pretty clearly, that you can't mess with the contracts like that without getting punished by the NHL.
Calendar year, not season.

You can pay $14.04MM the day he signs the contract (19th July 2012) and $14.04MM on July 1st 2013, first day of next season.

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07-19-2012, 06:52 AM
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5:30am I get in my car off to work and Morgani says Weber signs an offs sheet with the Flyers. I almost crashed my car.

No work or sleep for the next 7 days!!!

Go Homer!!

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07-19-2012, 06:54 AM
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Here's a deal

Don't match and take the 4 1sts

Trade them back to us and we will give you Schenn + Schenn + Meszaros + Gustafsson/bourdon

thoughts?
I think it should be apparent that the Schenns are untouchable or a trade would've happened. I don't think Holmgren has any intention of moving Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Schenn, or Coburn in any deals.

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07-19-2012, 06:57 AM
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So if you're the Flyers would you rather surrender roster players + picks, or the 4 1sts? I'd prefer the latter.

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07-19-2012, 06:57 AM
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Don't let the fact that we're the Flyers fool you. $26m is a ****ton of money.

I can guarantee that it's not an easy decision strictly because of that large some of money involved now.
Using capgeek, I estimate it will cost Nashville at least $72 M in payroll to fill out a roster including Weber for a year and a day plus their own RFAs.

Current payroll is at $40,854,167. $4,153,750 qualifies Wilson, Blum and Kostitsyn. I'm guessing Weber's first 366 days will cost $26,080,000.

Grand total = $71,087,917 + whatever the RFAs secure in excess of their QOs.

If you want to leave out Day 366, the total cost is $59,047,917 + whatever additional costs to sign RFAs.

Keep in mind this is to maintain a roster that has already significantly downgraded from last year's model.

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07-19-2012, 07:06 AM
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This is great and everything, but don't you kind of feel bad for our three young D-men who are NHL ready(Bourdon, Gus, possibly Manning)? As usual, we will bring some young guys up and then they will go to another organization. I know Weber is great and this is a wonderful opportunity, but I was kind of hoping to see one or two of the younger guys on the club this year. Now, even if they outplay some of the veterans in camp, they will still be sent to the AHL.

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This is great and everything, but don't you kind of feel bad for our three young D-men who are NHL ready(Bourdon, Gus, possibly Manning)? As usual, we will bring some young guys up and then they will go to another organization. I know Weber is great and this is a wonderful opportunity, but I was kind of hoping to see one or two of the younger guys on the club this year. Now, even if they outplay some of the veterans in camp, they will still be sent to the AHL.
Those guys have 3rd pairing upside, so no.

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Last year Nashville's total payroll was $52 M. Advancing in the playoffs may have allowed the franchise to break even for the first time since 2004.

The Predators paid Weber and Suter $11 M combined last year. If they match the offer sheet, they will be paying $26 M this year (and a day) for just Weber. Including qualifying offers to RFAs that will fill out their roster, their total payroll will swell to over $70 M.

If the Predators match this offer, ownership stands to lose $20 M next year (if there isn't a lockout). $20 M in losses is Phoenix Coyotes territory. Just to ice a team that is worse on paper than last year's squad.

It will be interesting to see if ownership is down with that.

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07-19-2012, 07:18 AM
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Last year Nashville's total payroll was $52 M. Advancing in the playoffs may have allowed the franchise to break even for the first time since 2004.

The Predators paid Weber and Suter $11 M combined last year. If they match the offer sheet, they will be paying $26 M this year (and a day) for just Weber. Including qualifying offers to RFAs that will fill out their roster, their total payroll will swell to over $70 M.

If the Predators match this offer, ownership stands to lose $20 M next year (if there isn't a lockout). $20 M in losses is Phoenix Coyotes territory. Just to ice a team that is worse on paper than last year's squad.

It will be interesting to see if ownership is down with that.
You can't add Weber's salary for 13/14 into the Predators 12/13 financial year. It has to be paid at the first day of the 13/14 season, it belongs into that year.

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07-19-2012, 07:20 AM
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For people saying the Flyers are going to be ****ed with other teams now making massive offer sheets for our players... that will not happen, and in fact, if it does, that is fantastic for us!

The way offer sheets work is with equivalent value, in the system the only players worth more than the picks surrendered are literally the top 5-10 players in the NHL.

No team is going to give up 4 first round picks for Voracek... as the Flyers would just not match, and take the 4... the same for anything over 4.7 that would be offered, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd is decent value for Voracek, and anything under the Flyers match instantly!

3.1-4.7 is a first and a third, 4.7 to 6.2 is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and 6.2 to 7.8 is 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.

If a team is willing to give up 4 1st's and 7.8+ a year for a player... they are going to be worth matching. Plus, not many players want to leave a team like the Flyers (perennial contenders, rich, always trying to win)... not the same can be said for Columbus, Nashville, Florida etc

Would only be worried about Giroux... and tbh, he is very unlikely to actually sign a sheet, he is getting 7 plus on the next contract anyway, and if Nashville offered 8.5 say... would he want to spend the next 14 years in Nashville for an extra million a year?

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This is great and everything, but don't you kind of feel bad for our three young D-men who are NHL ready(Bourdon, Gus, possibly Manning)? As usual, we will bring some young guys up and then they will go to another organization. I know Weber is great and this is a wonderful opportunity, but I was kind of hoping to see one or two of the younger guys on the club this year. Now, even if they outplay some of the veterans in camp, they will still be sent to the AHL.
Decent defensive prospects, or arguably the top defenseman in the league? Not exactly a tough decision or something that I would lose an ounce of sleep over.

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You can't add Weber's salary for 13/14 into the Predators 12/13 financial year. It has to be paid at the first day of the 13/14 season, it belongs into that year.
OK, then they stand to lose $8-$10 M next year and pay up another $12 M on the first day of next league year before they have a chance to sell tickets and make up lost revenue. It's the same net effect.

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All of Nashville's D-men will be ours!
Seriously though Homer has some guts to do this. I don't mind not having a draft pick in 2014 as long as we fudging get the cup.

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OK, then they stand to lose $8-$10 M next year and pay up another $12 M on the first day of next league year before they have a chance to sell tickets and make up lost revenue. It's the same net effect.
Yes, but it's about the actual money, not about the losses they show in their balances. The problem is to actually spend those $13MM on July 1st instead of distributed over the year.

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Homer don't give a ****

I like it

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Uh oh, looks like Weber has some history with one of our other D-men. This could cause some controversy in the locker room....lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuQQV7Df39s

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Jesus. When did this happen?!? Weber is trending in the UK, assumed that NSH had resigned him, but no. There is no such thing as a dull offseason with the Flyers.

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Here's a deal

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Trade them back to us and we will give you Schenn + Schenn + Meszaros + Gustafsson/bourdon

thoughts?
Not 4 1sts
It's 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.

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Not 4 1sts
It's 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.
I almost wish it was in the 4 1sts realm just so Nashville would more likely not match. Weber is worth it.

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