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07-19-2012, 09:32 AM
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No way they don't match it. They're too prideful.

And if not, hey, we have the space and we have Sid's winger for a decade. Even at a 3M overpay.
we don't even know if Giroux can keep up the success he's had last season, and the Devils have shown that if you pressure him like the Flyers have to Crosby and Malkin, then he becomes somewhat of a non-factor.

i'd only offer sheet him something that i KNOW the Flyers would match, but it would also have to cripple them cap-wise.

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07-19-2012, 09:34 AM
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Weber: "I signed long-term with the Flyers because I want to win a Cup, and this seems like the easiest way to wind up doing that in LA."

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we don't even know if Giroux can keep up the success he's had last season, and the Devils have shown that if you pressure him like the Flyers have to Crosby and Malkin, then he becomes somewhat of a non-factor.

i'd only offer sheet him something that i KNOW the Flyers would match, but it would also have to cripple them cap-wise.
Well as others have said, he's not going to July 1st anyway. He will be locked up to a long term deal as soon as allowed.

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Kirk: it would cost him LESS if your 7yr, $63M thing (not sure where that came from) is true. Right now his hit is being calculated at around $7.8M. The hit you're talking about would've been $9M.
Yes, the cap hit is better than Poile was looking at.

BUT, the money being paid over 7 years is 86M, not 63M.

THAT is over 3M more per year than Poile would pay over 7 years.

Still, Poile was prepared to keep both Weber AND Suter.

He'll match and allocate less to Suter replacement money.

I still say what he gets in return-- the ability to have all of Weber's prime years and then to trade him anywhere and anytime thereafter for what most assuredly still would be a bounty-- is worth it.

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We should offer-sheet Giroux. Handcuff the **** out of them.

15 years, 150 million. They'd have to match.
Joke would be on us when they let him walk.

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07-19-2012, 09:36 AM
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I am very confident it gets matched. But I still have that awful "what if it doesn't" feeling going on

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07-19-2012, 09:37 AM
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Sorry for interrupting, but Giroux won't be unsigned on July 1st.


So sure of that are you? 2014 isn't so far off.

But if he was, it would be ****ing glorious. Would really suck to lose your best player for nothing, huh? Oh...wait.

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I think the people saying match and trade are doing it under the assumption that signing an offer sheet is Weber declaring he doesn't want to be there.
Weber needed to sign the offer sheet. The new CBA will kill deals like this. He wants to win. He doesn't want out of Nashville. BUT, he wanted a front-loaded lifetime deal to stay, which is something Poile wasn't offering.

I do agree: Poile will match. BUT, as I keep saying, he'll move him in 6-8 years (probably 8 given how front-loaded the deal is).

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To those saying Nashville can't match, weren't they already looking at this kind of offer to Suter? And if/when they do match, they'd still be under the cap floor.

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Bummer, there goes the chance of getting the Semin scenario wrapped up anytime soon. If I'm Semin I hold out to see what Nashville does. In the unlikely scenario that they don't match and take the draft picks, I'm going to get PAID to help get the team to the cap floor.

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there is maybe a 1% chance Giroux ever sees a July 1st without already having a Flyers contract. I'd bet good money it never happens.
They said that about Parise too.

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I am very confident it gets matched. But I still have that awful "what if it doesn't" feeling going on
That's where I am. Like Poile would be an idiot not to match but maybe there's something in the works or behind the scenes that we don't know about.

All signs though point to Holmgren nuking the competition for Weber and narrowing it down to either Philly or Nashville.

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Weber needed to sign the offer sheet. The new CBA will kill deals like this. He wants to win. He doesn't want out of Nashville. BUT, he wanted a front-loaded lifetime deal to stay, which is something Poile wasn't offering.

I do agree: Poile will match. BUT, as I keep saying, he'll move him in 6-8 years (probably 8 given how front-loaded the deal is).
why are you arguing with me? I was just explaining the thought process of others

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07-19-2012, 09:41 AM
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Joke would be on us when they let him walk.
They wouldn't.

Not to us, they wouldn't.

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Guys Giroux is not signing an offer sheet here... ever. Partly because we won't make him one, partly because he'd never sign it.

Let's dispense with the "glorious revenge theories" (we don't even know what's going to happen with Weber) that are never going to happen because it's only going to muck up the thread as more Flyer fans notice it.

And BTW Flyer fans are welcome to post here so don't tell them to leave. If they troll, flame, etc by all means PM a mod and we'll handle it.

And now back to your regular angst and gnashing of FA teeth.

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They said that about Parise too.
who said that? Parise purposely signed a deal to take him to the first chance at free agency. It seemed pretty obvious he'd at least test.

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07-19-2012, 09:43 AM
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Bummer, there goes the chance of getting the Semin scenario wrapped up anytime soon. If I'm Semin I hold out to see what Nashville does. In the unlikely scenario that they don't match and take the draft picks, I'm going to get PAID to help get the team to the cap floor.
Semin is the eternal "next domino".

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Bummer, there goes the chance of getting the Semin scenario wrapped up anytime soon. If I'm Semin I hold out to see what Nashville does. In the unlikely scenario that they don't match and take the draft picks, I'm going to get PAID to help get the team to the cap floor.

Disagree. They may up their offer a little bit, but they're not going to overpay money or term to a questionable player, still. Also, if Weber were to leave for futrues only, Nashville would outright suck, and would have very little chance of having a chance to win. That makese it an undesirable destination, IMO, compared to Pens or other options.

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Guys Giroux is not signing an offer sheet here... ever. Partly because we won't make him one, partly because he'd never sign it.

Let's dispense with the "glorious revenge theories" (we don't even know what's going to happen with Weber) that are never going to happen because it's only going to muck up the thread as more Flyer fans notice it.

And BTW Flyer fans are welcome to post here so don't tell them to leave. If they troll, flame, etc by all means PM a mod and we'll handle it.

And now back to your regular angst and gnashing of FA teeth.
Fair enough.

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And now back to your regular angst and gnashing of FA teeth.


What an agonizing summer this has been.

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who said that? Parise purposely signed a deal to take him to the first chance at free agency. It seemed pretty obvious he'd at least test.
Devils fans. Pretty much every one of them.

"He has the C! He has to resign!"

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They were prepared, from a budget perspective, to keep BOTH Weber AND Suter. Poile was offering Suter a deal like Minnesota, and he was thinking about extending Weber for up to 9M a year, depending upon term. What do you think?
Maybe, but we don't know that they were willing to do the crazy frontloading.

And I think Holmgren thinks there's at least a chance they don't match or he wouldn't be doing this.

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Maybe, but we don't know that they were willing to do the crazy frontloading.

And I think Holmgren thinks there's at least a chance they don't match or he wouldn't be doing this.
you have no idea how many fruit baskets Weber is going to send him for helping him out SO MANY FRUIT BASKETS

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