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[PHI] Shea Weber Signs Offer Sheet - 14 Yrs - $110 Million - $7.857 Cap Hit (Pt III)

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07-19-2012, 10:04 AM
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Someone explain to me how this is cap circumvention?
All you have to do is look at the numbers. It's very clear. It's *legal* under the current CBA, but it's definitely structured to keep the annual cap hit down. If it wasn't circumvention, they wouldn't be looking to eliminate this type of contract in the new CBA.

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If I could post a picture of the Flyers not winning the cup, I would do it, but that's a bit of a more abstract concept.
Just like i could post a picture of Ottawa being losers too right?

You're just mad.

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Come on, you seriously think that Holmgren isn't going to have a harder time signing free agents after the Carter/Richards debacle? He's going to have to start throwing in NTC's on every contract. 5/8 of their defensemen on 1-way contracts already have some form of a NTC, and 2 of their recent UFA signings (Fedotenko and Bryzgalov) got one as well.
Hmm, the best defenseman in the NHL didn't seem to mind.

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It's relevant because they were apparently trouble makers and the Flyers couldn't win with them, so the Flyers traded them for picks and young players. Holmgren's "big balls" didn't win him anything. It's not about making big moves, it's about making smart moves.
All trades must be evaluated the very year they're done, huh? Kings were able to acquire Carter as well eventually and that put them over the top, but those two weren't the only reason they won. Flyers got a completely rebuilt core which has the potential to do great things as well. It was a ballsy move, and it's too early to say it wasn't a good one.

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I'm happy now and soon I'll be sad. Can we ride this out for as long as possible.

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Wow, how dumb are these owners? Obviously you want to win first and foremost and I respect that. But to give out so much money to a player when you are telling the NHLPA the players make too much...

One step closer to a lockout I am thinking.
Agreed. It's a ****ing zoo. Completely ridiculous.

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All you have to do is look at the numbers. It's very clear. It's *legal* under the current CBA, but it's definitely structured to keep the annual cap hit down. If it wasn't circumvention, they wouldn't be looking to eliminate this type of contract in the new CBA.
Do you have the structure yet? All we've heard it some signing bonuses front loading rumors. Most likely it won't look that different from every long term contract that has gone through (see Suter, Ryan).

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It is designed to have a lower cap hit can actual money per years played. This isn't rocket science.
The rules of the CBA say it's money over term

Flyers are clearly circumventing here. Oh wait, they aren't.

Every long term deal has the extra years added to it.

Go look it up and deal with it

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All trades must be evaluated the very year they're done, huh? Kings were able to acquire Carter as well eventually and that put them over the top, but those two weren't the only reason they won. Flyers got a completely rebuilt core which has the potential to do great things as well. It was a ballsy move, and it's too early to say it wasn't a good one.
I'd agree with you if I saw anyone applying that same line of thinking towards Weber. All I see from Flyers fans is "OMG BIG MOVE, STUFF HAPPENING!"

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any word on if there is a ntc involved? The preds could simply match it and trade him away for a kings ransom. Guaranteed there would be huge interest in him even with that type of contract.

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Philadelphia Daily News

According to Kypreos, the Flyers have structured the deal in a way that it may be impossible for Nashville to match. The breakdown would be as follows:

2012-13 (age 27): $1 million salary + $13 million signing bonus (league maximum $14M)
2013-14 (28): $1 million salary + $13 million signing bonus (league maximum $14M)
2014-15 (29): $1 million salary + $13 million signing bonus (league maximum $14M)
2015-16 (30): $1 million salary + $13 million signing bonus (league maximum $14M)
2016-17 (31): $4 million salary + $8 million signing bonus (total $12 million)
2017-18 (32): $4 million salary + $8 million signing bonus (total $12 million)
2018-19 (33): $6 million salary
2019-20 (34): $6 million salary
2020-21 (35): $6 million salary
2021-22 (36): $6 million salary
2022-23 (37): $3 million salary
2023-24 (38): $1 million salary
2024-25 (39): $1 million salary
2025-26 (40): $1 million salary
TOTAL: $110 million

Since signing bonuses are usually paid out in a lump sum on July 1 before the season of play, the would mean the Predators would be required to pay Weber $27 million in the next 347 days just to match. To put that in perspective, 16.5 percent of Nashville's entire franchise net worth ($163M as valuated by Forbes Magazine in 2011) would be paid out in less than a calendar year by the small-market team.

For the Flyers, if Weber's offer is matched by Nashville, they will not be penalized in any way.

A source told the Daily News that Weber spent time in Philadelphia last week meeting with the Flyers' brass, though that also has not been confirmed by the team. This would not be tampering, since Weber was not under contract with any team.



Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...#ixzz2151CbWEh
That is just plain ******. Philly is now public enemy #1.

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Nashville could always match and then trade him a year later.

A Shea Weber signed on a good deal for life is worth exponentially more than a Weber 1 year away from UFA.

Also have to think; if Nashville is gonna match and fork over $27 million to him over that time period, wouldn't they just be better off keeping him? 1/5 of the contract will essentially be paid by them at that point already.

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Bettman is probably furious with holgrem .....hey we are trying to negotiate player rollbacks...........and your threatining one of my southern expansion teams

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LA won with Richards/Carter in their lineup...

but... who were their best players? Quick > Doughty > Kopitar > Brown (or at least some arguably order with those four at the top).

Richards/Carter, while they did contribute, were inarguably not among the top 4 most important players in LA winning the Cup. So yea, they happened to win the Cup, but they werent the core pieces. So why would people expect Philly to have won with them as the core pieces? Holmgren used them to upgrade the goaltending, the depth, and the future. Giroux largely made them expendable, and getting Schenn back in a deal made the other expendable. + they have Couturier now from the Clb pick.

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All you have to do is look at the numbers. It's very clear. It's *legal* under the current CBA, but it's definitely structured to keep the annual cap hit down. If it wasn't circumvention, they wouldn't be looking to eliminate this type of contract in the new CBA.
Again, find me a long term deal that isn't like this other than DiPietro's contract.

Go ahead. I'll wait here

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any word on if there is a ntc involved? The preds could simply match it and trade him away for a kings ransom. Guaranteed there would be huge interest in him even with that type of contract.
They can't trade him for a year and would have to pay him at least 26 million dollars even if there is a lockout.

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any word on if there is a ntc involved? The preds could simply match it and trade him away for a kings ransom. Guaranteed there would be huge interest in him even with that type of contract.
Even if there is they aren't obligated to honor it. They'd have to wait a year to trade him but after that they're home free, if they really did decide to move on.

It's that first year, with 27 mil or whatever, that is the real trouble most likely.

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I'm still in shock after seeing this a few hours ago. Big move, Nashville has to match even if to just save some dignity.

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Explain how it's cap circumventing?

it's legal under the CBA

Deal with it
Being a clear cap circumvention and being legal under the CBA aren't mutually exclusive.
The NHL just didn't write the rules tightly enough to be able to do anything about it.

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If the Preds don't match, this could be the Flyers defense next year (without Pronger, of course).

Timonen (5'10"/190 lbs) Weber (6'4"/230 lbs)
Coburn (6'4"/220 lbs) Grossmann (6'4"/230 lbs)
Meszaros (6'2"/220 lbs) Schenn (6'2"/220 lbs)

Toughest/biggest defense in the league?

My god that d has some grit to it.

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Weber in nashville is history

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That is just plain ******. Philly is now public enemy #1.
We've always been public enemy #1. And we love it.

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I'd agree with you if I saw anyone applying that same line of thinking towards Weber. All I see from Flyers fans is "OMG BIG MOVE, STUFF HAPPENING!"
They're excited and hopeful. I am too. I'm hoping against common sense that the Preds don't match because I do think it would help our team do something in the window where they youth is improving at low cost, and the older players like Briere and Timonen are still around and contributing. These contracts are definitely going to screw us eventually, but that's out of my hands so I just want to enjoy the ride while it lasts.

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Yep, sure looks like we are having problems with that.

Coburn, Grossmann, Weber.
Seriously?

Coburn - NTC
Grossman - NTC
Weber - Flyers offered him the offer sheet before anyone else; he would have signed that offer sheet from *anywhere*

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If the Preds don't match, this could be the Flyers defense next year (without Pronger, of course).

Timonen (5'10"/190 lbs) Weber (6'4"/230 lbs)
Coburn (6'4"/220 lbs) Grossmann (6'4"/230 lbs)
Meszaros (6'2"/220 lbs) Schenn (6'2"/220 lbs)

Toughest/biggest defense in the league?

My god that d has some grit to it.
Mez wont be there IMO

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