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07-19-2012, 10:32 AM
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Seriously, how many free agents actually move to a new team and dominate? Not many. More struggle. In all sports. I am not worried. Let Philly deal with the consequences of a bloated cap with players signed for a years.

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I'd hold that thought. Perhaps Holmgren is operating under the assumption that Pronger is done, just talking cap and such. If Pronger does come back, then you're adding a body with a 5 mill cap hit.
Pronger's incident was scary and I have to think he's done, haven't heard anything about him recovering or getting back on the ice. God, if he did come back anywhere close to 100% that would be rough for the Eastern conference.

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whether Predator fans like it or not, Martin's value should increase to Nashville if Weber's offer isn't matched.

i think the two main reasons for this are:
1. since trading Michalek, the Pens are now less inclined to move Martin and just keep him
2. Pittsburgh now knows that Nashville is in need of a top-4 defenseman if they lose Weber

so, because of just those two reasons, Martin's value should have increased significantly. the Pens have no reason to trade him at this point, and he fills an immediate need if Weber leaves Nashville, so i think they should use that chance to get Nashville to overpay for Martin.
Not only would they need a top 4 D, they would realistically need a top-pairing D. Martin has his faults but he can still log 25 minutes a night and would probably be a more effective player in their system. Nashville has some great young talent but they would need an anchor, Martin could be that guy.

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Review the thread carefully, please.
Review this link carefully, please. And when you're done, don't comment on this topic again unless it's to admit your mistake.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8474568

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It is past that point my friend. I think he really thinks Luke is a Hurricane lol
I know, that's my point!

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the signing bonus only changes when the money gets payed. Its the exact same dollar amount every year.
I understand that, but there's a difference for a franchise to have that money up front now as compared to over a season, when season ticket holders pay money accumulating revenues for the franchise to pay their players.

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Shero's patience is getting annoying.

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It will be interesting if the Flyers to sign Weber how that will in turn effect their young rookies in a few years. They will have some tough decisions.

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Review the thread carefully, please. So far there are only two pages, so it shouldn't tax your attention span. Focus on #4, 7, and 17 in which the posters think of Schenn as a Flyer Dman. While only #4 states it explicitly #7 and 17 gloss over it as though they agreed. Until I pointed it out no one noticed it. The thread concerns the Flyers and they have only one Schenn. His brother Luke, the Dman, was recently traded by the Leafs.
... to the Flyers

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It will be interesting in the Flyers to sign Weber how that will in turn effect their young rookies in a few years. They will have some tough decisions.
They will have traded those rookies and more for Stamkos and Ovechkin by then.

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I'm going offer sheet the piss out of someone today.


We're getting Oshie and Kane!
He'd better hurry ... Oshie's arbitration hearing is tomorrow.

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If Nashville ownership doesn't match, then why bother owning a professional sports team? You're locking up the best defensmen in the league for his career at a little over 7 mil per year. He is only entering his age 27 season. Yeah they have to pay a ton up-front but ****, if you're not willing to pay for the best defensmen in the league, then what are you going to pay for, or is it a Pirates-like ownership group that's more worried about collecting revenue from the extremely profitable teams and then cries poor.

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I understand that, but there's a difference for a franchise to have that money up front now as compared to over a season, when season ticket holders pay money accumulating revenues for the franchise to pay their players.
fair enough. I could see it being addressed in the CBA but who knows. Seems like something that would be a much bigger deal to the Owners than to the Players in that case, which probably makes it a relatively easy "good faith" concession from the players side

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They will have traded those rookies and more for Stamkos and Ovechkin by then.
Then they will offer sheet Yakupov ahahhaha

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If Nashville ownership doesn't match, then why bother owning a professional sports team? You're locking up the best defensmen in the league for his career at a little over 7 mil per year. He is only entering his age 27 season. Yeah they have to pay a ton up-front but ****, if you're not willing to pay for the best defensmen in the league, then what are you going to pay for, or is it a Pirates-like ownership group that's more worried about collecting revenue from the extremely profitable team and doesn't really care much?
26 million in the first year, about 60 in the first 4 yrs.....they prob dont make 27 mil in tickets in a year.

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If Nashville was prepared to match the Suter offers AND re-sign Weber, then they should be able to match the offer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't they negotiate a 'trade' with Philly still? Basically saying 'Give me these players in return or we match your offer'? That would certainly be an interesting twist. If Poile somehow managed to gut Philly's offense, well ...
THIS

Yes, this deal involves paying Weber over 7-8 years about 3M a year more than they'd budgeted for him, BUT, with Suter gone, all they need to do is allocate less of the money they'd budgeted for Suter or his replacement(s).

Stings, sure, but they also get a situation in 7-8 years where they'd have a 33-34 year old Weber, perhaps starting to show signs of decline, on a great remaining contract. At that point, Poile could trade him anywhere he wants, and, with what will be left on that deal (salary versus cap hit for teams way below the floor), he'll get a king's ransom.

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They will have traded those rookies and more for Stamkos and Ovechkin by then.
And somehow, Michael Leighton will STILL be their goaltender.

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He'd better hurry ... Oshie's arbitration hearing is tomorrow.
Once a player or team has filed for salary arbitration, they are immune to an offer sheet, so Oshie is a no go.

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It will be interesting if the Flyers to sign Weber how that will in turn effect their young rookies in a few years. They will have some tough decisions.
If I'm Giroux looking at the $ being thrown around this summer, there's no way I sign early...

Not saying he'll leave Philly...but if he stays, why not get paid like everyone else, especially players who haven't even played for the Flyers and they're getting $ thrown at them.

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Personally I would love this deal to happen and Philly gets Weber. It would seriously hurt their team in the next years. They would lose some of their depth. Free agents seldom perform to expectations too
Philly would just trade Meszaros for picks. Problem solved.

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And somehow, Michael Leighton will STILL be their goaltender.
They'll find a way to trade for LOLongo.

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Personally I would love this deal to happen and Philly gets Weber. It would seriously hurt their team in the next years. They would lose some of their depth. Free agents seldom perform to expectations too
Be careful what you wish for. Weber is the #1 defenseman in the league.

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I have no problem if Weber goes to Philly, I would hate paying 8mil to a D-man unless it's prime Lidström. Plus, they are going to have major issues signing Giroux and rest of the young crew soon

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Not sure if you guys saw this earlier, since we're talking about Martin :


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Nashville made Pens an offer for Paul Martin when it was clear Suter was leaving. Now Weber might go. Just saying.
Think about this: Nashville probably budgeted 15M a year for Suter and Weber.

If they match, then they're putting a kid into their lineup for budget reasons.

If they don't, then I could see them coming back about Martin.

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