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07-19-2012, 11:10 AM
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agreed and this is why I kind of hope the Preds take the hole 7 days to answer and give Bergevin time to get something done
I hope so too.. I don't want that leech Holmgren poaching the Habs best players..

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Preds will issue a statement today. Team is fully evaluating situation, but, Preds have previously indicated plan to match any offer sheet.
There is no way they match. If anything, just because there must be some bad blood from his previous contract negotiation. It's clear the guy wants out.

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07-19-2012, 11:11 AM
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I think I'd rather have Weber than 4 of Phillys 1st rounders.
But then you have to keep a player that doesn't even want to stay in Nashville, and you have to pay him freaking $26 million dollars in a year.

I don't know if you are aware, but $26 million dollars is like a quarter of the worth of the entire franchise. It's just not fiscally responsible.

Cut your losses and take the first rounders.

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07-19-2012, 11:12 AM
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He will be making 1 million in the last few years, buyout would be a joke
I took Zach Parise as an example.

His last 3 years of his contract
2M
1M
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Let say you rebuy for those 3 years.

Zach Parise buyout from CapGeek.com

◦2022-23: $5,982,906
◦2023-24: $6,982,906
◦2024-25: $6,982,906
◦2025-26: $444,444
◦2026-27: $444,444
◦2027-28: $444,444

He would earned 444,444 for 6 years in salary but the cap hit is ridiculous.

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07-19-2012, 11:14 AM
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But then you have to keep a player that doesn't even want to stay in Nashville, and you have to pay him freaking $26 million dollars in a year.

I don't know if you are aware, but $26 million dollars is like a quarter of the worth of the entire franchise. It's just not fiscally responsible.

Cut your losses and take the first rounders.
Are they allowed to trade him elsewhere in those 7 days?

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But then you have to keep a player that doesn't even want to stay in Nashville, and you have to pay him freaking $26 million dollars in a year.

I don't know if you are aware, but $26 million dollars is like a quarter of the worth of the entire franchise. It's just not fiscally responsible.

Cut your losses and take the first rounders.
Agreed. That's what makes this such a vicious move on the part of Holmgrem. It's clearly structured so it can't be matched. Unbelievable the NHL would approve a contract with a 26-to-1 ratio between the 1st and last year.

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07-19-2012, 11:15 AM
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Poor Nashville, they really had their financial woes exploited here. This is the only reason I feel like this was a dick move because its like stealing from a disabled person. Offer sheets are part of the game, but on another level I find it to be kind of dooooooshy. Nashville should take the 4 1st rounders(if that is indeed the case) and try to work with them to fill the holes left by Suter and Weber, whether it is by draft or trade.

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07-19-2012, 11:17 AM
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There is no way they match. If anything, just because there must be some bad blood from his previous contract negotiation. It's clear the guy wants out.
If he clearly wanted out signing the offer sheet probably wasn't the best move since the Preds could match and keep him for the rest of his NHL career.. He probably would have been better off telling the Preds he wouldn't re-sign longterm with them and to trade him before losing him for nothing before he hit UFA.

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07-19-2012, 11:18 AM
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Are they allowed to trade him elsewhere in those 7 days?
No it's accept the offer or move on and take the picks!

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07-19-2012, 11:20 AM
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If he clearly wanted out signing the offer sheet probably wasn't the best move since the Preds could match and keep him for the rest of his NHL career.. He probably would have been better off telling the Preds he wouldn't re-sign longterm with them and to trade him before losing him for nothing before he hit UFA.
Yeah but then he gets stuck in a Nash-type situation with an owner asking for the moon.

The counter-dick move to this is to prepare a trade with another team, match the offer and ship him out.

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07-19-2012, 11:21 AM
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Question: Why didn't Nashville do what we did with Carey Price by bringing him to arbitration?

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No it's accept the offer and move on and take the picks!
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Are they allowed to trade him elsewhere in those 7 days?
I actually think they can trade him, the team he is traded to though has to match the offer by Philly.

In fantasy land...Bergevin could call up Nashville and offer Beaulieu, and two firsts for Weber...then match the offer.

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07-19-2012, 11:21 AM
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Why would anyone think Weber wants out of Nashville just because he signed an offer sheet with Philly? Talks with Poile were stalled. The best way to get a deal done was to have someone offer sheet him, he sign it and force Poile to react. If Poile matches he gets to stay a Pred and earn big bucks. If Poile refuses to match, Weber gets to go to Philly, play with some young studs and earn big bucks. Simple really...he wants the dough and the contract before the new CBA. Can't blame him really!

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07-19-2012, 11:22 AM
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Yeah but then he gets stuck in a Nash-type situation with an owner asking for the moon.

The counter-dick move to this is to prepare a trade with another team, match the offer and ship him out.
and which team will want to pay him those bonuses in the next couple of years?

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07-19-2012, 11:24 AM
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and which team will want to pay him those bonuses in the next couple of years?
There is no shortage of insane owners.

Did they say what the cap hit is going to be on that thing yet?

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07-19-2012, 11:27 AM
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Yeah but then he gets stuck in a Nash-type situation with an owner asking for the moon.

The counter-dick move to this is to prepare a trade with another team, match the offer and ship him out.
From reading the thread on the mainboard if the Preds matched they can't trade Weber for atleast 1 year.

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07-19-2012, 11:28 AM
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if the owners wanted any sort of sympathy from the fans in the CBA fight, I'm pretty sure that all these major long term deals this summer put the nail in the coffin of any chance in getting it

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I wonder what's going to happen in 7, 8, 10 years when the tail ends of these contracts start playing out and teams are stuck with huge cap hits on their books for declining players. Will the owners then cry foul about it and want to change the CBA again or something?

The contract gamesmanship in this league is getting downright retarded. ****in' joke.

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07-19-2012, 11:31 AM
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I wonder what's going to happen in 7, 8, 10 years when the tail ends of these contracts start playing out and teams are stuck with huge cap hits on their books for declining players. Will the owners then cry foul about it and want to change the CBA again or something?

See: Scott Gomez

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07-19-2012, 11:32 AM
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From reading the thread on the mainboard if the Preds matched they can't trade Weber for atleast 1 year.
Correct which at that point the Preds already paid 2 years of bonuses, wouldn't even be worth it for them to trade him

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Question: Why didn't Nashville do what we did with Carey Price by bringing him to arbitration?
It's my understanding that because the Preds took Weber to arbitration this past season, they couldn't take him to arbitration this season. Weber himself could have asked for arbitration this year, but the team cannot initiate it.

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Do I get this right? Based on DD info: 14,14,14,14,12,12,6,6,6,6,3,1,1,1,1 = 111/15 yrs = 7.4

Not sure about the details of the bonuses. Seems like a low cap hit since we could just unload Gomez. Go for it MB!!

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http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelp...ases-statement

“We are in receipt of the offer sheet signed between the Philadelphia Flyers and Shea Weber. Under the rules pertaining to an offer sheet, the Predators have one week to decide whether to match or accept the compensation. We have stated previously that, should a team enter into an offer sheet with Shea, our intention would be to match and retain Shea. Our ownership has provided us with the necessary resources to build a Stanley Cup-winning team. Due to the complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time to review and evaluate it and all of its ramifications in order to make the best decision for the Predators in both the short and long-term.

“We do not anticipate any further comments on this situation until we make our decision within the next seven days.”

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07-19-2012, 11:40 AM
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Too bad this intersects the big Weber issue, but since we've hit the 1,000 post limit, please continue here...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1233143

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