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07-18-2012, 01:44 PM
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Epic fail? You mean your tavares comment right?
The Tavares comment was sarcasm on my part bc the original post was so off base!

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07-18-2012, 01:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure there is a disconnect between Alpine and StlBlues9. I don't think Alpine was talking about the original Strome Package when he made his comment. He was saying that if Tavares was offered we'd accept without hesitation, which is true. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Manoli's "Tavares better be coming back" comment was way too over the top, so that's what's throwing things off a bit...
My Tavares comment was sarcasm bc we would not Tarasenko for the package offered

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07-18-2012, 02:58 PM
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Is Tavares on a team that actually wins games? No? K... When your single player can elevate your team (that's on payroll budget) to the best defense in the league he's a franchise player.

When a forward can't even get your team over .500 you can call him whatever you want but don't pretend his value is accomplishing anything.

Tavares couldn't even score his way into a winning home record. Meanwhile look at the best GAA defense lead by Pietro's 30-6-5 home record and tell me you can't build around him.

See in reality a player like Pietro nullifies a "top 5 forward" in the playoffs but he has to make the playoffs for that to happen.

Guess they'll settle for marginal scoring on 4 lines though
So since John Tavares hasn't been able to carry the AHL Islanders on his back to the playoffs he must not be that good, right?

Do you think the Islanders last season with Petro and without Tavares are a playoff team? If so I would really love to try some of whatever you're smoking. Must be pretty potent stuff to produce a post this ridiculous.


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07-18-2012, 03:25 PM
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I don't think you are correct. I'd hold my childish haha's though. Run along
Aww, run along..how dismissive. You honestly couldn't produce anything better? Look at it this way, I believe Petro is on his way to having a Lidstrom like existence and honestly, if you see Petro go down, things run way below par. I value him way more than a scoring center. I even said Tavares is world class, yet the simple minded have come to say..no wayz tavares score madd goals, he so worth moar than Pietrangelo ..u mad bro? Yeah! ..its a complete joke. Since your username is creeksidestrangler, how about you go choke on the truth.


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Deal offered in the OP is actually pretty solid. The Isles could use wings and the Blues need depth in the center slot. I think the sticking point may be the 1st rounders. While I do expect NYI to be a lot better this year, it's hard to see STL and NYI's 1st rounders this year having any sort of comparable value. Is the difference between Tarasenko and Strome big enough to justify the difference in value between the 2 1sts? We'd probably get different opinions on who's a more valuable prospect between STL and NYI fans.

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07-18-2012, 03:46 PM
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Aww, run along..how dismissive. You honestly couldn't produce anything better? Look at it this way, I believe Petro is on his way to having a Lidstrom like existence and honestly, if you see Petro go down, things run way below par. I value him way more than a scoring center. I even said Tavares is world class, yet the simple minded have come to say..no wayz tavares score madd goals, he so worth moar than Pietrangelo ..u mad bro? Yeah! ..its a complete joke. Since your username is creeksidestrangler, how about you go choke on the truth.


Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.

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07-18-2012, 04:06 PM
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If the Blues and Islanders wanted to swap forward prospects, Schwartz and Strome would make a lot more sense, at least from our end. Schwartz is still a better prospect, but not as much of a difference between Tarasenko and Strome.

You don't see many trades like this though.

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07-18-2012, 04:15 PM
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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
Thats not fair, Tavares made a few Blues look stupid n that play, not just Petro.


I will say this, IMHO I would take Petro ahead of Doughty.....

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07-18-2012, 04:37 PM
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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
Pietrangelo had absolutely nothing to do with that play developing into a scoring situation, and had no plausbile defensive options to choose from once it did.

This thread has strayed far, far off course.

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07-18-2012, 05:02 PM
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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
Look at the amazing work Petro did over the course of a season. Being the main guy on defense as a 22 year old on the best defensive team in the league.

One play means nothing.

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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
Tough to hang that one around Petro's neck. Oshie, on the other hand, better have bought a few people a beer after the game.

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If the Blues and Islanders wanted to swap forward prospects, Schwartz and Strome would make a lot more sense, at least from our end. Schwartz is still a better prospect, but not as much of a difference between Tarasenko and Strome.

You don't see many trades like this though.
Well, Schwartz isn't necessity for Blues, but luxury - they have more than enough wingers. And he could be good winger for Tavares. And it's obvious that Schwartz for Strome is pretty possible, unlike trading Tarasenko.

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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
http://blues.nhl.com/club/boxscore.htm?id=2011020854

Look at the amazing work Petro did in this entire game.

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07-18-2012, 06:21 PM
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Well, Schwartz isn't necessity for Blues, but luxury - they have more than enough wingers. And he could be good winger for Tavares. And it's obvious that Schwartz for Strome is pretty possible, unlike trading Tarasenko.
McDonald might not return next season, which makes Schwartz very important to our future.

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Look at the amazing work Petro did over the course of a season. Being the main guy on defense as a 22 year old on the best defensive team in the league.

One play means nothing.
Listen, I actually am a huge Petro fan. I've posted before about how, right or wrong, I'd take him over any other defenseman in the NHL if given the choice. His combo of talent, production and potential is about as good as it gets.

That said, as an Islander fan who has had to deal with nothing but miserable hockey and bone head upper management over the last 20 years or so, I get very defensive over the one bright spot this organization and their fans have seen during that time period.

Like I said before though, if you are a Blues fan and would rather have Petro, I completely understand and respect that. But when I see unnecessary JT trash talk I guess I just see red.

Apologies.

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Look at the amazing work Petro did on Tavares here.
I'm convinced, Petro couldn't cover his man and stop a streaking Tavares, he clearly isn't very good...

If you don't have a point at least say something funny.

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I'm convinced, Petro couldn't cover his man and stop a streaking Tavares, he clearly isn't very good...

If you don't have a point at least say something funny.
Lol watch his ankles snap on that last deke. What point is needed after video evidence of Tavares undressing your boy?

I guess its not as good as the point made before about how Tavares must not be that good since he didn't carry the Islanders to the playoffs.

I literally just gave Pietrangelo credit... why do you have to make me look bad?

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Yeah so about Tarasenko for Strome...

No thanks good offer though

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Listen, I actually am a huge Petro fan. I've posted before about how, right or wrong, I'd take him over any other defenseman in the NHL if given the choice. His combo of talent, production and potential is about as good as it gets.

That said, as an Islander fan who has had to deal with nothing but miserable hockey and bone head upper management over the last 20 years or so, I get very defensive over the one bright spot this organization and their fans have seen during that time period.

Like I said before though, if you are a Blues fan and would rather have Petro, I completely understand and respect that. But when I see unnecessary JT trash talk I guess I just see red.

Apologies.
I don't think anybody has been unnecessarily been trash talking JT. He's a star player and I understand why Isles fans wouldn't want him traded. He actually played for my hometown in the OHL, unfortunately it was at the end of his career but it was still nice to be able to see him play.

Pietrangelo suits St. Louis better though and JT probably suits NYI better, but there wouldn't be much adding from either side.

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Lol watch his ankles snap on that last deke. What point is needed after video evidence of Tavares undressing your boy?

I guess its not as good as the point made before about how Tavares must not be that good since he didn't carry the Islanders to the playoffs.

I literally just gave Pietrangelo credit... why do you have to make me look bad?
Saying Pietrangelo was "undressed" implies that Tavares was Pietrangelo's mark (he wasn't), that Pietrangelo was the reason why the scoring chance developed (he wasn't), and that Pietrangelo had a realistic chance of actually defending against Tavares in that situation (he didn't).

You want to "defend" Tavares. We get it. This is a really silly way to go about it.


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So, this is the thread where we add videos of nice goals?

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I wouldn't be surprised if Tarasenko ends up being as good as Taveres

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I wouldn't be surprised if Tarasenko ends up being as good as Taveres
One also shouldn't be surprised if Petrov is eventually about as good as Tarasenko - or Strome. Due to his sticking to Kazan (for another two years primarily while his mother deathly ill), he remains solely a darkhorse prospect. The guy has game and already has a power forward body.

But these are things we're not going to see for a while...

As for the OP, I do not think it's a move that's favorable for particularly the Islanders.

In addition, the MAIN reason this team picked Strome ahead of several other very viable options last summer was because of his direct connection to and understanding with Tavares. Perhaps it shouldn't have been, but Strome is not being moved until this finds out if he's basically Jordan Eberle Part Deux, likely as a winger next to JT.

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So, this is the thread where we add videos of nice goals?
Love that video was actually at the game

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One also shouldn't be surprised if Petrov is eventually about as good as Tarasenko - or Strome. Due to his sticking to Kazan (for another two years primarily while his mother deathly ill), he remains solely a darkhorse prospect. The guy has game and already has a power forward body.

But these are things we're not going to see for a while...

As for the OP, I do not think it's a move that's favorable for particularly the Islanders.

In addition, the MAIN reason this team picked Strome ahead of several other very viable options last summer was because of his direct connection to and understanding with Tavares. Perhaps it shouldn't have been, but Strome is not being moved until this finds out if he's basically Jordan Eberle Part Deux, likely as a winger next to JT.
Well, if you compare what Petrov and Tarasenko have done in the same league and their age... I think you should be surprised. And a lot. But Petrov will never be as good as Tarasenko. He's already much worse being almost 2 years older...

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