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07-19-2012, 02:08 PM
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Speaking of offer sheets and compensation

Do you Buffalo fans wish you would have walked away from Vanek?

lol, wow u guys would have been set.

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07-19-2012, 02:11 PM
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Vanek would've improved Edmonton's records over the years, so the picks probably wouldn't have been quite as good.

That said, hindsight being 20/20, I'd take the picks. I think they made the right decision at the time, though.

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Yeah sure, but who cares that was about 5 years ago....

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I'd have taken the picks. I'd have done it then and I'd say the same in hindsight.

Of course, Darcy was never going to do that after letting Briere and Drury both walk. He probably would've matched any offer Edmonton made, if only because his job might've been in real jeopardy otherwise.

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Yeah sure, but who cares that was about 5 years ago....
Exactly. Look at your prospects had u walked away. Offer sheets matter now and in 4-5 years.

And no Vanek could not have helped the oilers too much. There issue has never been goal scoring.

I just look back at the picks Edmonton has made, and wow. They all should have been Sabres.

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Exactly. Look at your prospects had u walked away. Offer sheets matter now and in 4-5 years.

And no Vanek could not have helped the oilers too much. There issue has never been goal scoring.

I just look back at the picks Edmonton has made, and wow. They all should have been Sabres.
That's a pretty stupid statement

Edmonton Goal Scoring in the 4 years after the Vanek offersheet
07-08 17th
08-09 18th
09-10 27th
10-11 27th

Vanek average 34 goals a year in those 4 seasons.

Adding 34 goals per year to Edmonton's totals each year:
07-08 10th
08-09 4th
09-10 7th
10-11 15th

So yes, Vanek would've made them better...


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Exactly. Look at your prospects had u walked away. Offer sheets matter now and in 4-5 years.

And no Vanek could not have helped the oilers too much. There issue has never been goal scoring.

I just look back at the picks Edmonton has made, and wow. They all should have been Sabres.
That's not at all how it works.

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The Sabres had to match the offer sheet. They had just lost Briere and Drury for nothing. Imagine the mutiny if Vanek, a 23-year-old fresh off a 43-goal season, had joined them on the departures list.

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That's not at all how it works.
Well, there's a good likelihood it could have happened that way, if not even better.

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Exactly. Look at your prospects had u walked away. Offer sheets matter now and in 4-5 years.

And no Vanek could not have helped the oilers too much. There issue has never been goal scoring.

I just look back at the picks Edmonton has made, and wow. They all should have been Sabres.
That's cute.

Edmonton G/G
2006-2007 - 30th
2007-2008 - 18th
2008-2009 - 18th
2009-2010 - 27th
2010-2011 - 28th

Yeah, Vanek wouldn't have helped at all.

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Imagine if they would have kept Briere and Drury. Then let Vanek go for all those picks. I can only imagine what this team would look like if it happened that way.

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I wanted them to let him walk to Edmonton.

The picks were intriguing. The opportunity for a refresher / slight rebuild...

which they seem to be doing now.

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Regier was certainly in a tough position. He had lost Drury and Briere. Losing Vanek may have cost him his job. It certainly would have looked terrible and set the franchise back even further. Vanek was coming off an unbelievable statistical year.

That being said, given that you had just lost Drury and Briere and were going to be in somewhat of a rebuilding mode, I think the right decision would have been to take the 1st rounders. I would have gambled that Vanek wouldn't have improved Edmonton very much and that the picks would have been top 10. I would have tried to 'sell it' as a total start from scratch with the huge advantage of having multiple top 10 picks multiple years in a row.

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I wanted them to let him walk to Edmonton.

The picks were intriguing. The opportunity for a refresher / slight rebuild...

which they seem to be doing now.
Right. I mean, you just let your co-caps go, and you're going to forgo your opportunity to rebuild at the same time? Makes no sense.

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07-19-2012, 02:53 PM
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Oh right so Vaneks 34 goals would have maybe got Edmonton to 27th instead of 30th. But keep in mind, the price tag and the players Edmonton couldn't afford to have to improve past 27th place. So yea, I seriously don't think Vanek could have helped.

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That's a pretty stupid statement

Edmonton Goal Scoring in the 4 years after the Vanek offersheet
07-08 17th
08-09 18th
09-10 27th
10-11 27th

Vanek average 34 goals a year in those 4 seasons.

Adding 34 goals per year to Edmonton's totals each year:
07-08 10th
08-09 4th
09-10 7th
10-11 15th

So yes, Vanek would've made them better...
You didn't do it right. You can't just add Vanek's 34 goals per year average without subtracting however many goals Edmonton's first round picks have averaged per year.

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You didn't do it right. You can't just add Vanek's 34 goals per year average without subtracting however many goals Edmonton's first round picks for that year had.
Not to mention Penner, who scored 93 goals as an Oiler.

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Either way it's hind sight. But that's why I asked the Sabres fans cuz it can really shape a franchise either way.

You know Nashville won't be getting top 5 picks in the next 4 yrs via Philly.

Yet, Edmonton was coming off a cup run if I remember correctly. The GM situation makes sense as per Briere and Drury.

But man, I look at Edmontons youth and would much rather see them in Buffalo.

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Was Golisano really going to fire anyone at that time? I don't think so. Golisano most likely would have loved to let Vanek and his contract go for a bunch of draft picks imo.

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Way too many unknowns over 5 years to determine either way how it would have gone, though if we had any way to guarantee that the picks Edmonton did have would be ours, I think 95% of us would have let him walk.

Just too many variables to have too much of an intelligent conversation about it.

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It's still likely that Vanek's goal scoring makes the Oilers a better team over that span of time. Those picks would not have been in the same location and it's possible, even likely, that the personnel moves made are not the same during the interceeding years. 25-35 goals per season simply can't be discounted, even taking out Penner's initial paltry output. The picks would not have been the same, moves made from that point to now would not have been the same.

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That said, hindsight being 20/20, I'd take the picks. I think they made the right decision at the time, though.
Pretty much the best answer regarding this.

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You didn't do it right. You can't just add Vanek's 34 goals per year average without subtracting however many goals Edmonton's first round picks have averaged per year.
Yeah, you simply can't add it that way. Also consider you have to measure how much better Vanek would have been than the guy whose minutes he was taking. So Vanek takes minutes from a 25 goal guy, who gets bumped down and takes minutes from a 15 goal guy, who gets bumped down and takes minutes from a 5 goal guy, and all three of those guys now score slightly less, and in short there's no way to add Vanek's offensive input.

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You didn't do it right. You can't just add Vanek's 34 goals per year average without subtracting however many goals Edmonton's first round picks have averaged per year.
your right... so edmonton wouldn't have been any better with Vanek

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The Predators are in a very similar situation, the smart play would be to let the player go but because of other players leaving that can't happen.

I think a fairer comparison for the 4 picks would be Buffalo's picks:

Myers, Pysyk, Armia, Kassian

Would you trade those players for Vanek?

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