If i remember correctly he is strictly a agent, and he has the easiest job in the world representing thornton lol. Thornton basically says i want 7 mil and it is given to him because he never asks for term that is to outrageous.
Some players don't play hardball, using the agents, at the high point of their career if both team and player are committed to a long term relationship. Brodeur only got an agent for this last round of negotiations. I'll add that tax laws for athletes have changed with most of the high end guys using their agents for their tax returns. They have to file in most of the states in which they play. Can you imagine doing 10 to 15 state returns in addition to your home state and federal?
If the player does go on his own, the PA will provide comps for compensation directly to the player so that he is not flying blind.
Education:
Rotman School of Management, UofT - Toronto, ON 09/04 to 04/06 - MBA rec'd
06/06 Thomas Cooley Law School, Lansing, MI 09/00 to 04/03 - JD rec'd
05/03 Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, ON 09/95 to 04/99 - BA rec'd
Education:
Rotman School of Management, UofT - Toronto, ON 09/04 to 04/06 - MBA rec'd
06/06 Thomas Cooley Law School, Lansing, MI 09/00 to 04/03 - JD rec'd
05/03 Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, ON 09/95 to 04/99 - BA rec'd
IIRC, he worked for one of the major hockey player agents in a group firm before going on his own. He certainly isn't new to the issues. Beyond that, the PA is pretty rigorous on vetting agents now.
Hopefully Doan decides soon. San Jose would seem to be a decent spot for him to land based on his children's interests and needs, if he decides to leave Phoenix that is.
Hopefully Doan decides soon. San Jose would seem to be a decent spot for him to land based on his children's interests and needs, if he decides to leave Phoenix that is.
In response to the close of that article, I think the locker room leadership is officially overrated. It can be good if you've got a young team that doesn't have a good work ethic or understanding of what's required. I don't think that's the case with the Sharks.
Still want Doan, but I am very very over the "bring in a grizzled vet to get those kids to win a cup" thought process after the last few Sharks seasons. Missing vets isn't the problem, hell, look at LA.
Agreed that the veteran in the locker room is overrated, I want him because he is tenacious as hell on the ice and the Sharks could use the energy he brings.
In response to the close of that article, I think the locker room leadership is officially overrated. It can be good if you've got a young team that doesn't have a good work ethic or understanding of what's required. I don't think that's the case with the Sharks.
Still want Doan, but I am very very over the "bring in a grizzled vet to get those kids to win a cup" thought process after the last few Sharks seasons. Missing vets isn't the problem, hell, look at LA.
Well, in a recent interview Drew Remenda said the biggest problem with the Sharks is that when they lose, they lose "too easy." And that they "say all the right things in the locker room" but no one ever follows through or holds each other accountable.
Basically saying the Sharks have leaders but no one goes crazy and kicks **** over after a loss, gets in people like Marleau's face and tells him to step it up. Or tells Niemi to stop letting in softies. etc.
If that is the case getting Doan for the locker room would be HUUUUUUUUGE.
Well, in a recent interview Drew Remenda said the biggest problem with the Sharks is that when they lose, they lose "too easy." And that they "say all the right things in the locker room" but no one ever follows through or holds each other accountable.
Basically saying the Sharks have leaders but no one goes crazy and kicks **** over after a loss, gets in people like Marleau's face and tells him to step it up. Or tells Niemi to stop letting in softies. etc.
If that is the case getting Doan for the locker room would be HUUUUUUUUGE.
First of all, what makes you think Doan is that kind of guy in the room? Second, Drew playing psychiatrist is always hilarious. Third, if they actually did get that guy, what makes you think that it would work?
First of all, what makes you think Doan is that kind of guy in the room? Second, Drew playing psychiatrist is always hilarious. Third, if they actually did get that guy, what makes you think that it would work?
1) Doan is clearly a "go bat**** crazy after a pre-season loss" kind of leader
2) I don't want to get in an argument over here since Pinkfloyd's on the internet and i'm on my computer, but I SAW a Drew Remenda that was psychoanalyzing the team. And it's easy to say "just go psychoanalyze the team." WELL WHAT THE HECK DO YOU THINK HE WAS TRYING TO DO OUT THERE, PINKFLOYD? To just say that he's not a professional psychiatrist just because he doesn't have an MD... BALONEY. You deserve to be a psychiatrist if your name is Drew Remenda.
1) Doan is clearly a "go bat**** crazy after a pre-season loss" kind of leader
2) I don't want to get in an argument over here since Pinkfloyd's on the internet and i'm on my computer, but I SAW a Drew Remenda that was psychoanalyzing the team. And it's easy to say "just go psychoanalyze the team." WELL WHAT THE HECK DO YOU THINK HE WAS TRYING TO DO OUT THERE, PINKFLOYD? To just say that he's not a professional psychiatrist just because he doesn't have an MD... BALONEY. You deserve to be a psychiatrist if your name is Drew Remenda.
3) It will work because Drew said it would.
Before I respond, I just want to make a point of emphasis. This is my internet and don't you ****ing forget it.
As for the real points, I don't see Doan as the in-your-face leader type some do. He's a team guy and a lot more protective of his guys than he is critical. As for Drew, he's just gonna be Drew. I take it for what it is. An honest opinion and often hilarious especially when it steers to the point of what the guys are thinking and what they need emotionally.
First of all, what makes you think Doan is that kind of guy in the room? Second, Drew playing psychiatrist is always hilarious. Third, if they actually did get that guy, what makes you think that it would work?
First - He has captained the dismal Phoenix Coyotes to 3 straight playoff appearances including a WCF, all of this during a time with no team owner and franchise stability in question (and don't suggest that doesn't do anything to the players psyche) He is clearly a passionate guy as you can see in the interview above.
Second - Drew is crazy. But he's closer to the team and knows more than anyone on these boards will ever. So you can't dismiss his insight too much.
Third - What makes you think anything will work? The truth no one knows what works, if there was a formula to it then everyone would follow it. You just have to use what is in front of you and make the best decision. IF what Drew says is true, and DW agrees, Doan would be perfect.
First - He has captained the dismal Phoenix Coyotes to 3 straight playoff appearances including a WCF, all of this during a time with no team owner and franchise stability in question (and don't suggest that doesn't do anything to the players psyche) He is clearly a passionate guy as you can see in the interview above.
Second - Drew is crazy. But he's closer to the team and knows more than anyone on these boards will ever. So you can't dismiss his insight too much.
Third - What makes you think anything will work? The truth no one knows what works, if there was a formula to it then everyone would follow it. You just have to use what is in front of you and make the best decision. IF what Drew says is true, and DW agrees, Doan would be perfect.
Drew says a whole lot of stuff and he would be the first to tell you he's wrong a lot.
Drew says a whole lot of stuff and he would be the first to tell you he's wrong a lot.
Sure. Like I said, Drew is crazy.
But I don't find it too hard to believe what he said this time, that one of the biggest problems with the Sharks is that when they lose they say all the right things but don't rise up to the challenge.
This seems to be the problem with the sharks for the last decade.
It would make sense too with what DW has been saying in wanting to get "more aggressive" and "grittier" and signing guys like Burish.
This is probably internally what they view as the problem.
I think Doan would be good IF this was the case. I'm sure DW feels the same.
But I don't find it too hard to believe what he said this time, that one of the biggest problems with the Sharks is that when they lose they say all the right things but don't rise up to the challenge.
This seems to be the problem with the sharks for the last decade.
It would make sense too with what DW has been saying in wanting to get "more aggressive" and "grittier" and signing guys like Burish.
This is probably internally what they view as the problem.
I think Doan would be good IF this was the case. I'm sure DW feels the same.
Even if it is the case, one person is not going to fix it. If that is the case then the team needs to make wholesale changes to rid the locker room of that personality type. Doan could more than likely make himself an outcast instead.
I would argue that Roenick brought more fire and more passion while he was on this team than any player since Nolan. Even that wasn't anywhere near enough to make a difference. I loved the hell out of Roenick, and I wish he was younger and on the team now, but that doesn't mean Doan at $5m+ is going to do any better than he did.
Even if it is the case, one person is not going to fix it. If that is the case then the team needs to make wholesale changes to rid the locker room of that personality type. Doan could more than likely make himself an outcast instead.
I would argue that Roenick brought more fire and more passion while he was on this team than any player since Nolan. Even that wasn't anywhere near enough to make a difference. I loved the hell out of Roenick, and I wish he was younger and on the team now, but that doesn't mean Doan at $5m+ is going to do any better than he did.
There is no way to know if he can or can't. I certainly don't know the answer.
Was just relaying something Drew had mentioned and thought interesting.
Leadership is infectious though, have you seen Captain America! (I'd be willing to pay Chris Evans 5yrs at 5mil)
When you look at the Sharks roster, there are very few guys that have heart + tenacity/grit + talent.
Thornton is really the only guy that sticks out.
Doan is a 20+ goal scorer, likes hitting, and can win faceoffs. Not to mention he is obviously a vocal leader that backs his talk up and consistent in his effort. He is like Clowe on steroids and exactly the type of player the Sharks need.
Havlat, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Clowe - all bring something to the table but none of them bring the combination of skills that Doan does.
There is no way to know if he can or can't. I certainly don't know the answer.
Was just relaying something Drew had mentioned and thought interesting.
Leadership is infectious though, have you seen Captain America! (I'd be willing to pay Chris Evans 5yrs at 5mil)
Drew is not coaching in part because he really doesn't understand leadership. He adheres to the romanticized notion of confrontational leadership (George Patton ideal). There are many parts to leadership and it is possible for both coaches and GMs and even owners to influence it. Effectively, the captains and top of the lineup are middle management.
In a group endeavor, leadership has to be inclusive. Confrontation needs to be limited although some fans/commentators who are adrenaline/testosterone junkies get off on that aspect. Confrontation is actually a signal of at least a minor failure. In hockey, you want leaders who can give a pat on the back because there are always minor shortcomings and you want followers to recover quickly from those shortcomings and not freeze up or withdraw in fear. You want leaders who set an example by being intense in preparation both on and off the ice. You want guys who players want to follow not guys who inspire fear (Patton model) if they aren't followed.
In society, we have frequently been fed a line about what success is. It is not some guy riding off on his white charger and defeating all obstacles. It is a group endeavor which through hard and cooperative work comes up with the winning formula by which the greatest number prosper.
First - He has captained the dismal Phoenix Coyotes to 3 straight playoff appearances including a WCF, all of this during a time with no team owner and franchise stability in question (and don't suggest that doesn't do anything to the players psyche) He is clearly a passionate guy as you can see in the interview above.
Second - Drew is crazy. But he's closer to the team and knows more than anyone on these boards will ever. So you can't dismiss his insight too much.
Third - What makes you think anything will work? The truth no one knows what works, if there was a formula to it then everyone would follow it. You just have to use what is in front of you and make the best decision. IF what Drew says is true, and DW agrees, Doan would be perfect.
To answer point one, he also captained the team from 2003 on to 2008-09 without any playoff appearances when ownership was not anywhere near the dire straights that it is in now.
As for point two, he is close but his interpretation of the information has always been faulty and that's why he is a talking head and not the coach or manager that he once was. Just because you have access to the information doesn't mean you're capable of processing it properly.
Finally, the third point. My issue with this aspect isn't necessarily that Doan is or isn't a good option. It's the thought that Doan or anyone can come in here and make a dramatic impact on leadership. It simply isn't the case. Veteran players that step into a new locker room almost always defer to the current leaders in the room, like Thornton, Boyle, Marleau, and Clowe that first year and don't make any waves. It's also that there seems to be this perception that Doan is one of those guys that holds others accountable. There's really nothing to suggest that is so. Passionate, yes. But holding players accountable in a way that any of us will notice? No. He will not throw a teammate under the bus to hold him accountable which is really what people are driving at when they ask for such a trait.
I, personally, believe that Doan would be a great fit on the ice that will see a slight uptick in production. I don't believe his leadership traits will mean anything especially in the first year.
Drew says a whole lot of stuff and he would be the first to tell you he's wrong a lot.
Crazy or not, physiatrist or not... Drew was an integral part of a coaching staff that pulled off one of the biggest upsets I've ever seen in pro hockey against Detroit, then they turned around and basically repeated it the next year against Calgary. Those huge upsets had way more to do with mind games from the coaching staff than skill on the ice. Right or wrong he knows more about dealing with pro hockey players and their minds than anyone posting here.
He will not throw a teammate under the bus to hold him accountable which is really what people are driving at when they ask for such a trait.
I, personally, believe that Doan would be a great fit on the ice that will see a slight uptick in production. I don't believe his leadership traits will mean anything especially in the first year.
Frankly you don't know this. Throwing a teammate under the bus most often happens in the locker room where none of us will ever see it or hear about it. Calling out a teammate in front of the rest of the team is how a captain throws a teammate under the bus so to speak. They never would do it thru the media. Coaches use that as their tool.
But I don't find it too hard to believe what he said this time, that one of the biggest problems with the Sharks is that when they lose they say all the right things but don't rise up to the challenge.
This seems to be the problem with the sharks for the last decade.
It would make sense too with what DW has been saying in wanting to get "more aggressive" and "grittier" and signing guys like Burish.
This is probably internally what they view as the problem.
I think Doan would be good IF this was the case. I'm sure DW feels the same.
No doubt. I always hated that the sharks never responded like Calgary or edmonton did loosing a playoff against them a few years ago. Iginla would go nuts and pick fights. The sharks just took their beating like good little soldiers instead of going down fighting. There's something to be said for showing that loosing hurts.
(I'd be willing to pay Chris Evans 5yrs at 5mil)
