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07-20-2012, 12:39 PM
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If we can pick up a center like Tim Connolly or Matthew Lombardi for picks and then a decent winger for someone like Rundblad, Summers, Stone, Schlemko, or Goncharov than we can probably keep our elite looking D group, and have at least a semi passable offense. This without sacrificing key pieces of the core.
Yes, but then you lose Connolly/Lombardi in the offseason and are back to square one.

Krejci at least gives us a three years of a guy at the peak (rather than twighlight) of his career with valuable (and recent) Stanly Cup playoff experience.

I would feel much better going into the playoffs with Krejci next year and face a team like the Kings or Canucks than go in with a Connolly or Lombardi masquerading as a no. 1 center (and likely on the IR anyway).

If we want to compete next year against strengthened rivals (the Wild and the Stars) - we need a legit center ice man. Enough of these Yanic Perrault/Daymond Langkow experiments.

A legit center ice man will cost you either a Yandle or $100 million/13 years contract during the offseason.

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Elliotte Friedman speculated about a fit between Boston and Phoenix with Yandle and Krejci being the principals. Phoenix is in dire need of young 1st/2nd line talent and has an abundance of defensemen. Does Boston need d enough to trade Krejci?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-thoughts.html
If Gagner, Pajaarvi, and a top 10 pick wasn't enough to land Yandle... then Krejci isn't either. Boston would have to add to the deal.

The bar has been set.

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07-20-2012, 12:48 PM
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If Gagner, Pajaarvi, and a top 10 pick wasn't enough to land Yandle... then Krejci isn't either. Boston would have to add to the deal.

The bar has been set.
How do you know this piece was on the table? You do realize Edm had #1 overall pick this year (Yakupov)?

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It's usually what happens when you trade an a No. 2 center for a No. 1 D-Man - you need to add pieces.

I know, unjust.
But your #1 Dman would be a #2 on our team, and our "#2" center would be #1 on your team.

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But your #1 Dman would be a #2 on our team, and our "#2" center would be #1 on your team.
Only because our current "#1" (Vermette) is really a "#3"

Put Krejci on any team in the West and he's a No. 2 everywhere but Columbus.

Yandle would likely become your "#1" in 1 or 2 years time anyway, once Chara begins to fade. He also has an extra year under contract over Krejci.

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Yes easily, remember when Yandle was a candidate for the Norris trophy?
Remember when Krejci was a finalist for the Selke?

Krejci finished 6th in '09. Yandle finished 5th in '11.

You could also make the case that Krejci was a "candidate" for the Conn Smythe since he led the league in goals, points and game-winning goals.

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Remember when Krejci was a finalist for the Selke?

Krejci finished 6th in '09. Yandle finished 5th in '11.

You could also make the case that Krejci was a "candidate" for the Conn Smythe since he led the league in goals, points and game-winning goals.
I don't know about other people but I would take a Norris Candidate over a Selke Candidate any day of the week. What do you think NHL GMs would take?

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Almost laughable how Boston aways needs to add when Krejci is involved..
Generally when the player you are trading for is more valuable you have to add pieces...

Yandle is a #1/#2 D man, Krejci is a high end 2C or a borderline 1C. Yandle is also 1 year younger and signed to an extra year at the same cap hit. I don't see why Boston fans wouldn't take a 1 for 1 deal and run!

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Remember when Krejci was a finalist for the Selke?

Krejci finished 6th in '09. Yandle finished 5th in '11.

You could also make the case that Krejci was a "candidate" for the Conn Smythe since he led the league in goals, points and game-winning goals.
Norris >>> Selke.

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Krejci's better than Yandle.

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It's usually what happens when you trade an a No. 2 center for a No. 1 D-Man - you need to add pieces.

I know, unjust.
Just because it seems cool to call Krejci a 2nd line center (Bruins fans and other teams fans), here's his rank in scoring among center in the league.

2011-2012 18th
2010-2011 22nd
2009-2010 39th
2008-2009 17th
2007-2008 Rookie season

So is Krejci a middle of the pack 1st line center or is he so aweful defensively, soft, caracter trouble, playoff choker to be rank has a 2nd line center?

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Only because our current "#1" (Vermette) is really a "#3"

Put Krejci on any team in the West and he's a No. 2 everywhere but Columbus.

Yandle would likely become your "#1" in 1 or 2 years time anyway, once Chara begins to fade. He also has an extra year under contract over Krejci.
Just Columbus? Calgary, Colorado, Dallas, Phoenix, Nashville... maybe St. Louis if you view Backes as a Bergeron type. That's just off the top of my head.

Fwiw, David Krejci has the 17th most points by a center since 2009 (11th in assists). That's more than Koivu, Stastny, Roy...

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I don't know about other people but I would take a Norris Candidate over a Selke Candidate any day of the week. What do you think NHL GMs would take?
A Conn Smythe candidate.

Honestly, it depends on the Norris/Selke winner. i.e. I think NHL GM's would take Datsyuk in his prime over Karlsson.

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Just Columbus? Calgary, Colorado, Dallas, Phoenix, Nashville... maybe St. Louis if you view Backes as a Bergeron type. That's just off the top of my head.

Fwiw, David Krejci has the 17th most points by a center since 2009 (11th in assists). That's more than Koivu, Stastny, Roy...
Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly and Benn would disagree.

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Krejci's better than Yandle.
Well argued.

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Just because it seems cool to call Krejci a 2nd line center (Bruins fans and other teams fans), here's his rank in scoring among center in the league.

2011-2012 18th
2010-2011 22nd
2009-2010 39th
2008-2009 17th
2007-2008 Rookie season

So is Krejci a middle of the pack 1st line center or is he so aweful defensively, soft, caracter trouble, playoff choker to be rank has a 2nd line center?
So why is he expendable?

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I originally liked the idea of Krejci getting traded for an elite winger like Ryan, but I would also trade Krejci in a heartbeat for Yandle.

Chara-Seidenberg
Yandle-Hamilton
Ference-McQuiad

That is a sick defense and probably the best in the league when Hamilton has a few years experience. Chara-Seids-Yandle-Hamilton, holy **** that defense is great.

Trade Boychuk in a package for Yandle if the Yotes need a d-man coming back, I think Krejci and Boychuk for Yandle and maybe a good prospect from PHX would work for both teams.
that would easily be the best in the league.

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A Conn Smythe candidate.
Didn't you just let your Conn Smythe winner from two years ago take a hike?

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[QUOTE=WJF;52761335]Well argued./QUOTE]

Yandle is big time overrated. He gets soft QOC, spoonfed offensive zone starts and isn't good defensively. He was a disaster in the playoffs.

Krejci on the other hand is quietly one of the more effective, consistent centers in the league. 52% on faceoffs, playoff proven and a good 2-way player.

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Yandle might be "better" than Krejci, but I'd take a first line center over a second pairing defenseman any day. Nothing against Yandle, I just don't like paying big money to non-shutdown dmen.

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So why is he expendable?
Becuase it's HFBoards. He's not actually expendable.

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Didn't you just let your Conn Smythe winner from two years ago take a hike?
Is that what it's called when a player decides to take a year off? It's not like we pushed him out..

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Just Columbus? Calgary, Colorado, Dallas, Phoenix, Nashville... maybe St. Louis if you view Backes as a Bergeron type. That's just off the top of my head.

Fwiw, David Krejci has the 17th most points by a center since 2009 (11th in assists). That's more than Koivu, Stastny, Roy...
No way is Krejci better than KHL-sensation Roman Cervenka

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Well argued./QUOTE]

Yandle is big time overrated. He gets soft QOC, spoonfed offensive zone starts and isn't good defensively. He was a disaster in the playoffs.

Krejci on the other hand is quietly one of the more effective, consistent centers in the league. 52% on faceoffs, playoff proven and a good 2-way player.
Yandle would have 60pts in your lineup.

Spoonfed offensive zone starts? The guy doesn't even play on the No. 1 PP unit. If he did - on any team that ranks higher than our 29th ranked PP - he would have 60+pts.

All this and the guy is 26 years old. As a defenseman, he's only coming into his prime (typically around age of 30). As a centerman, Krejci has already likely peaked.

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Boston needs to add a significant piece for PHX to listen

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Yandle would have 60pts in your lineup.

Spoonfed offensive zone starts? The guy doesn't even play on the No. 1 PP unit. If he did - on any team that ranks higher than our 29th ranked PP - he would have 60+pts.

All this and the guy is 26 years old. As a defenseman, he's only coming into his prime (typically around age of 30). As a centerman, Krejci has already likely peaked.

An offensive defenseman thriving in Boston? Where do you get that idea? Seriously.

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Yandle would have 60pts in your lineup.
There is no guarantee of this.

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Spoonfed offensive zone starts? The guy doesn't even play on the No. 1 PP unit. If he did - on any team that ranks higher than our 29th ranked PP - he would have 60+pts.
ES.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...12+13+14+15+16

First in O-Zone starts.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...2+13+14+15+16#

Last in QOC. (Against 3rd, 4th line players)

This is your prototypical sheltered defenseman.

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All this and the guy is 26 years old. As a defenseman, he's only coming into his prime (typically around age of 30). As a centerman, Krejci has already likely peaked.
That's not really a good argument. How has Krejci already peaked when he's the same age as Yandle? Krejci is a first line center and that's way more valuable than a #4 defenseman 1-trick-pony defenseman. I'd rather have Krejci easily.

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