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07-20-2012, 12:49 PM
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If Subban gets only 4.5 per season, there is absolutly no reason
why he would sign for more han one year. We would have to go through
the same exercise next summer. And by then the rules for RFAs might not
be so restrictive.
People need to remember that he is being signed for what he is expected
to bring in the future, not what he did in the past. And what he did in the past
sugests that he might bring a great deal to our team in the future.
I'm quite sure Subban, like other young, talented NHL players, will be well paid fior his anticipated contributions.

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07-20-2012, 12:59 PM
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I'm quite sure Subban, like other young, talented NHL players, will be well paid fior his anticipated contributions.
True. Although I can't see relavence to my post. Or this thread for that matter.

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True. Although I can't see relavence to my post. Or this thread for that matter.
You don't? Really?

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07-20-2012, 01:04 PM
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Hedman got a 5 year 20 mil deal. Maybe a 4 year 18 mil deal for subban?
4 years would be the worst situation possible.

That brings him straight to UFA status.

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I told this before, give him a Christopher Letang type of contract.

14M/4year - Cap Hit 3.5M

I can't see why he would ask more.

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I told this before, give him a Christopher Letang type of contract.

14M/4year - Cap Hit 3.5M

I can't see why he would ask more.
Because he can.

Look at the market and understand it, then you won't be shocked when he gets way more than that.

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You don't? Really?
We both know at Subban will be paid reletive to other NHL hockey players.
If this general standard is to high, is an unrelated question. I was only refering
to what actually happens in negotiations between NHL teams, and their players.

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07-20-2012, 01:17 PM
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We both know at Subban will be paid reletive to other NHL hockey players.
If this general standard is to high, is an unrelated question. I was only refering
to what actually happens in negotiations between NHL teams, and their players.
Sorry if this is difficult to read. My computer is screwing up, and I'm
having a lot of difficulty typing.

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07-20-2012, 01:18 PM
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Because he can.

Look at the market and understand it, then you won't be shocked when he gets way more than that.
Look at the market??? He's RFA.. He can't ask for the moon on is 2nd professional contract. PK is awesome I really won't argue there. But he doesn't have that much negociation power!

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4 years would be the worst situation possible.

That brings him straight to UFA status.
So does 5 years or more. I suppose we can do 3 year deal and get that final weber to negotiate long term.

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Wtf...

Subban has shown nothing but intense loyalty to this team. You are taking things way too seriously, its a freaking contract.
We're in a rebuilding phase and the only important thing we are doing now is getting a core of good young players to build a contending team around.

If PK doesn't want to be part of our young core going forward we should find someone who does. This isn't the time for prima donna's, we're on our way to bigger and better things.

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07-20-2012, 01:26 PM
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Look at the market??? He's RFA.. He can't ask for the moon on is 2nd professional contract. PK is awesome I really won't argue there. But he doesn't have that much negociation power!
His negotiation power lays in his ability to sign for only one year. Then
the price may be much higher. And if he has a good season, he may get
big offer sheets.
He has no motive to sign long term, unless you make it worth is while by
paying enough.

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07-20-2012, 01:39 PM
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Subban is destined to be a great player. I can't see him not being a top dman in the league. This is the perfect time to lock him long term with a frontloaded deal. Subban would get the security of a long term deal and enough money on a short term basis that he would be willing to sign for a smaller amount in total (like every other long term frontloaded deals).

Do it while you still can MB !

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We're in a rebuilding phase and the only important thing we are doing now is getting a core of good young players to build a contending team around.

If PK doesn't want to be part of our young core going forward we should find someone who does. This isn't the time for prima donna's, we're on our way to bigger and better things.
What gives you any indication that he doesn't want to be part of it?

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What gives you any indication that he doesn't want to be part of it?
We'll know when the contract is signed or not signed and by the terms of the contract.

When Bergevin was in Chicago, one thing they purposely did was to sign their core to decent long-term contracts, something I hope/suspect he'll try to do here.

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07-20-2012, 02:50 PM
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Two years now still give us good negotiating power, then even if there is a 5 year limit on contracts, which we would look at signing him to, its okay because 3 of those 5 years are UFA years. Signing him to a 3,4 or 5 year deal now is bad, especially 4 would be horrible. Six years is the least I would want on a long term deal now and then not excited about it. My preference is 2, gives everybody a better idea of his ability and I do not mind paying him what he is worth after that contract is up , I do mind a Gomez contract where the player isnt earning his pay at all.

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MB will get it done...it will be a 2 yr deal or possibly a 6 year deal...I think Gorges getting 3.9 avg for 6 years is now coming back to haunt us...PK's agent knows PK is a bigger asset than Gorges....so PK will be over 4.0M for sure...

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We both know at Subban will be paid reletive to other NHL hockey players.
If this general standard is to high, is an unrelated question. I was only refering
to what actually happens in negotiations between NHL teams, and their players.
Bless you, dear boy. I know you mean well.

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MB will get it done...it will be a 2 yr deal or possibly a 6 year deal...I think Gorges getting 3.9 avg for 6 years is now coming back to haunt us...PK's agent knows PK is a bigger asset than Gorges....so PK will be over 4.0M for sure...
Gorges was pretty much a UFA and he is only about defence, $3.5M per over 2 years makes sense for PK , longer term is the problem because Im sure PK will want to be paid like he will deliver as a basically modern day Chelios, but that would be risky for the Habs, even though I like PK alot.

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We'll know when the contract is signed or not signed and by the terms of the contract.

When Bergevin was in Chicago, one thing they purposely did was to sign their core to decent long-term contracts, something I hope/suspect he'll try to do here.
You realize there are a number of factors at play with regards to the contract process right?

If Subban signs a 2 year contract, which is probably the most likely scenario; this will give you instant proof that he has no loyalty to the team?

That logic is horrendous.

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I'd be fine with either:

A 2 year contract in the 3 or 3.5m range.

A 6-8 year contract in the 5-6m range.

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You realize there are a number of factors at play with regards to the contract process right?

If Subban signs a 2 year contract, which is probably the most likely scenario; this will give you instant proof that he has no loyalty to the team?

That logic is horrendous.
There may very well be lots of factors involved but most of them aren't important to the long-term plan of building a contending team.

Right now, there should only be one goal and that is getting a young core signed long-term to build the team around. If Subban chooses not to be a part of that goal, that's his choice, I'd rather trade him for someone who wants to be part of that future.

There's only two reasons Subban doesn't want to sign here long-term: he thinks he'll get a big UFA payday down the road or he wants to play somewhere else in a couple of years. Either way, I'd like to expedite his dream, why should we hold him back from achieving what he really wants.

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I told this before, give him a Christopher Letang type of contract.

14M/4year - Cap Hit 3.5M

I can't see why he would ask more.
Its been a couple years since letang signed that contract, so the the amount of money involved will automatically be higher today, if letang is the comparison they use.

Anyways, not only do I believe that Subban is a better asset than letang, but he also has better numbers than letang in his first two seasons.

Subban has everything going for him in this comparison to demand a higher salary than letang at the time.

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Meehan will meet Bergevin next week http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/344311.html

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Subban is destined to be a great player. I can't see him not being a top dman in the league. This is the perfect time to lock him long term with a frontloaded deal. Subban would get the security of a long term deal and enough money on a short term basis that he would be willing to sign for a smaller amount in total (like every other long term frontloaded deals).

Do it while you still can MB !
You're right , there is no decision to be made about whether Subban needs to be part of the team or whether he's proved himself, that's a given, it's just a matter of making the numbers work.

I suspect the players in both RFA and UFA status had their eyes open the size of frisbees when the cap went to it's current level, and they want to be the first (and possibly only) wave of free agents to benefit from it.

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