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07-20-2012, 03:48 PM
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I feel getting Doan puts the Rangers in a MUCH better position, cap wise, to address the other main need for this team. That of a RH triggerman for the PP. Its much better, cap wise, than Nash. Also we can allocate our assets better.

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This will be Doan's 17th season in the NHL. Since becoming an NHL regular, he's never missed more than 10 in a season.

At some point, he's going to hit a wall. I didn't see it in the postseason last year, but you have to figure he's going to be realistic and not be expected to be a top-line player who logs a lot of minutes.

Therefore, he shouldnt get paid like he's a top-line player. The Rangers would make perfect sense for him career-wise. It gives him a legit shot at a Cup and he wont be a run into the ground.

I say three years/16 million (5.3 hit). He deserves it. He just captained his team to the CF for their first time in history and he was arguably their best postseason forward.

All that being said, i don't give him a 3rd year. No way. At first I thought it would be a necessity to get him here, but looking at all the RFA/UFA and a 35+ contract, it's not worth the risk.

So in reality, i say two years/11 million. That's about as high as I go.

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I feel getting Doan puts the Rangers in a MUCH better position, cap wise, to address the other main need for this team. That of a RH triggerman for the PP. Its much better, cap wise, than Nash. Also we can allocate our assets better.
I can see where you're going with this: Kotalik.

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3/18 clearly
thinking 3/20

I expect 2 very productive years and one sub par offensive year, but solid defensively.

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I feel getting Doan puts the Rangers in a MUCH better position, cap wise, to address the other main need for this team. That of a RH triggerman for the PP. Its much better, cap wise, than Nash. Also we can allocate our assets better.
I have a strong feeling if we land Doan for anything under 5M, we will get Nash for NOTHING (player wise)

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Gross.

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I can see where you're going with this: Kotalik.
I hate you.

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It's really the money that's concerning for me. It's tough to take a risk on a guy at that age. 3 years at $18m is probably what it would take. I think the Pens would give him that. He's still a good player and can be an effective role player even if his offense declines, but $6M is a lot to invest in a player that might end up on your 3rd line in 2 or 3 years.
Its this and more for me.

Hes going to be 36 in a few months - 50 points last season. What are the chances hes able to turn back the clock and top that production?

Hes a poor man's Callahan at this point in his career. And while thats not necessarily a bad thing, it is redundant.

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I have a strong feeling if we land Doan for anything under 5M, we will get Nash for NOTHING (player wise)
I don't know, I think Nash and Doan doesn't address our other main need. Much rather do one or the other, and trade for a second pairing Dman/PP specialist.

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I have a strong feeling if we land Doan for anything under 5M, we will get Nash for NOTHING (player wise)
Howson has run out of dance partners. It's us or starting the season with Nash in the fold.

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I don't know, I think Nash and Doan doesn't address our other main need. Much rather do one or the other, and trade for a second pairing Dman/PP specialist.
any faith in Erixon? I have a feeling he will shock a lot of people in camp.

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any faith in Erixon? I have a feeling he will shock a lot of people in camp.
He may grow into that role, but I doubt he will come in gangbusters this year. That is, even if he makes the team.

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Howson has run out of dance partners. It's us or starting the season with Nash in the fold.
Exactly ... and at that point he will be forced to take Dubinsky (to offset some cap) and maybe a prospect. Unless he really wants to go back to CBJ with this fiasco.

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Gross.
Doan't totally disagree, but he's a player that can and will get that kind of scratch once he says "I'm leaving Phoenix"

And the skill he brings in conjunction with his size and physical stule will be helpful for the Rangers.

25+ and 25+ in addition to everything else he brings to the table is worth a little extra cheese.

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Exactly ... and at that point he will be forced to take Dubinsky (to offset some cap) and maybe a prospect. Unless he really wants to go back to CBJ with this fiasco.
Common misconception. Nash willingly signed a longterm deal to play in Columbus.

It may be a fiasco now, but in my opinion its something that can easily be ironed out over a cup of coffee.

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That third year will be the cyanide capsule. If the Cap goes down or doesnt go up, you have a 35+ contract for a guy who will be almost 38 at the start of an offseason in which:

UFA
Henrik
Gaborik
Callahan
Girardi
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RFA
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Poison pill, indeed.

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Common misconception. Nash willingly signed a longterm deal to play in Columbus.

It may be a fiasco now, but in my opinion its something that can easily be ironed out over a cup of coffee.
Could not disgree more.

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Agree.

They can't afford both. Shortsighted to think they can.

McDonagh, Lundqvist, Stepan, Staal, Callahan, Girardi, Kreider, Hagelin, Boyle, Gaborik...

They all need new contracts within 3 years.
And it's not that I'm really that hot on us signing Doan but it's preferable to me to trading a bunch of younger players we've developed or are in the process of developing than trading for Nash's colossal long term contract. Columbus picks early every year and if they can't eventually build a team out of all those blue chip prospects then there's something to **** wrong with them.

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That third year will be the cyanide capsule. If the Cap goes down or doesnt go up, you have a 35+ contract for a guy who will be almost 38 at the start of an offseason in which:

UFA
Henrik
Gaborik
Callahan
Girardi
Boyle

RFA
Kreider


Poison pill, indeed.
Pretty brutal as most of us know. If Kreider is as good as he can be, that's going to cost A LOT to get him locked in long term.

I'm hoping that Hank and Gabby will give a little to stay on the team, but you never know. If they win the Cup in the next couple seasons, that'd be highly unlikely. We could possibly let Gaborik go too. If the younger players step up, he could become someone we don't need, in two seasons.

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The idea of a 35+ contract for this guy at the kind of numbers being tossed around is a little frightening.

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The idea of a 35+ contract for this guy at the kind of numbers being tossed around is a little frightening.
I thought the same thing ... but it's not like we are a team filled with old guys. If we were, I would be more worried.

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The idea of a 35+ contract for this guy at the kind of numbers being tossed around is a little frightening.
Couldn't agree more.

The problem is that the Rangers have run out of dance partners so

It's either play the hand you have or overpay for a stop gap.

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Dont want doan, old and going to decline

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Would love Doan here, at a reasonable salary/contract. He'll slide right in with our personnel. A kind of guy that'll mesh with this team, right off the bat. He's a leader, he has size, skill, smarts, and busts his ass. Only downside to Doan, is his age. That's it.

I'll be very happy with a 3/16M~ deal or so.

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Its this and more for me.

Hes going to be 36 in a few months - 50 points last season. What are the chances hes able to turn back the clock and top that production?

Hes a poor man's Callahan at this point in his career. And while thats not necessarily a bad thing, it is redundant.
I honestly think he could put up 55+ points next year simply riding shotgun to Gabby and Richards. When you extend beyond that, you just never know how a guy is going to hold up. Can he be our Mike Knuble and put up a few 25G/50P goal seasons before his production drops off a cliff? I think so, but I'm not really comfortable with investing $6M in that kind of gamble.

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