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07-20-2012, 05:28 PM
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Doan is a grandpa. We need LESS of that. Take his 20 goals and replace them with someone younger who is capable of scoring TWENTY goals.

You guys act like he's coming off a 40/70 season...5 years in a row!
20 goals is the new 30 brah.

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Somehow I see Doan going into Torts training camp grind and doing alright. I expect he's going to be not only fit but prepared because everything about him is professional. If he can get 40 some points at $4 mil cap hit it's not terrible. I'd be leery going more than two years.

But we should also remember other 'granddads'--Jagr, Straka, Prospal--sometimes it pays off and Doan is still a guy where it's a decent bet it will pay off. He's a power type forward who basically plays a simple game. He has good skills but he's not going to do fancy when he can use brute force. That fits better for the Eastern conference than the Western.

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I can see where you're going with this: Kotalik.
Haha, I thought of Pavel Brendl when I saw that...

...I would give up alot to see that experiment (to avoid misunderstandings, for the fun of it ). Brendl on Torts 4th line, and of course on the first power play unit. For those who haven't kept up with Brendl's career, or is too young to remember the start of it, he has burned every bridge he has stepped upon here in Europe. But he has scored a boatload of goals at most places he have been. Most goals in the SEL a couple of seasons. Most goals in the KHL. He's fat, and he can't skate. He refuses to backcheck.

But he can definitely one-time the puck on the PP and moves it around decently.

The things is, I can't see how he would not help our PP alot (and our PP needs help). Like, every place Brendl goes he plays on a top 2 line, and absolutely tanks and a man will never be born who takes up coaching and likes having someone like Brendl on a top 2 line. But, no doubt whatsover, Brendl can shoot the puck more or less as well on the PP as just about anyone save for like the top 5 in the world who he is behind (AO. Malkin. Weber? Kovalchuk?). I also couldn't see how he could do worse than like Rupp on a 4th line.

Of course I am not serious, but theortically if Brendl was signed as a 4th line winger and PP specialist -- it would be darn fun to see and I would have a hard time not seeing him scoring 20 PPGs...

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Can Doan play RW too?

If that's the case, I could definitely live with both (if Doan is prepared to come here for a cheaper buck (say 5m per)).

Let's say Howson is forced to take an offer from Slats of like Dubinsky and Anisimov from the roster, this unit would definitely be a contender:

Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik
Nash-Stepan-Doan
Kreider-Boyle-Callahan
Asham-Halpern-Rupp
McD-Girardi
Staal-Strålman
MDZ-Erixon/Bickel/Sauer


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How does the Rangers signing Doan have any impact on what it would cost to trade for Nash?

It doesn't.

Howson has his demands.
if they get a top 6 winger then they dont have to go get another. Keep the team as is

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Haha, I thought of Pavel Brendl when I saw that...

...I would give up alot to see that experiment (to avoid misunderstandings, for the fun of it ). Brendl on Torts 4th line, and of course on the first power play unit. For those who haven't kept up with Brendl's career, or is too young to remember the start of it, he has burned every bridge he has stepped upon here in Europe. But he has scored a boatload of goals at most places he have been. Most goals in the SEL a couple of seasons. Most goals in the KHL. He's fat, and he can't skate. He refuses to backcheck.

But he can definitely one-time the puck on the PP and moves it around decently.

The things is, I can't see how he would not help our PP alot (and our PP needs help). Like, every place Brendl goes he plays on a top 2 line, and absolutely tanks and a man will never be born who takes up coaching and likes having someone like Brendl on a top 2 line. But, no doubt whatsover, Brendl can shoot the puck more or less as well on the PP as just about anyone save for like the top 5 in the world who he is behind (AO. Malkin. Weber? Kovalchuk?). I also couldn't see how he could do worse than like Rupp on a 4th line.

Of course I am not serious, but theortically if Brendl was signed as a 4th line winger and PP specialist -- it would be darn fun to see and I would have a hard time not seeing him scoring 20 PPGs...
Well 20 PPG would have led the NHL this year, so I would temper those expectations. The Rangers scored 23 PP goals.

But I would definitely be for the idea of giving a 4th line spot to a PP triggerman.

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Do we have anthing in our favor that we could get him??

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Can Doan play RW too?
Yes he can. He plays mostly RW, I believe.

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Do we have anthing in our favor that we could get him??
Close proximity to CBA negotiations is likely a huge plus.

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Doan and Nash is possible. If we got Doan and sent something like dubi and AA back that takes care of most of Nash cap hit. Not that I expect both or even one lol

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Do we have anthing in our favor that we could get him??
He played under Torts and Jim Schoenfeld in Phoenix. He played with Sullivan too, as well as newly acquired, Taylor Pyatt.

Also, as long as he isn't like Weber who hates the big city, this is New Yawk!

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Let's me say this one more time. I've watched Shane Doan night in and night out for the last 5 years. His scoring has slipped a tad (not very much) and I could see it slipping a little more in a few years but what hasn't slipped one bit is his dedication to the team, leadership and all around hockey value. More than any hockey player, he reminds me of Mark Messier, not just in the way her leads but in the way he plays the game. For those of you who think we have enough leadership, you can never have enough that Shane Doan couldn't add to the equation. When the playoffs start, he ramps it up several notches. The guy has a bomb from the right point. And unlike some of our middleweights, when Shane hits you, you've been hit. I know I am prejudiced because I know and admire him and I would hate, hate to see him leave here because it probably means the team isn't far behind but you will get every cent of value for the money you spend on this player. If he couldn't earn it anymore, I am convinced he would walk away from the game.

Addendum -- Doan is a right wing (almost exclusively)

2nd Addendum -- he also takes a lot of defensive zone faceoffs. 55.9% this year

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Let's me say this one more time. I've watched Shane Doan night in and night out for the last 5 years. His scoring has slipped a tad (not very much) and I could see it slipping a little more in a few years but what hasn't slipped one bit is his dedication to the team, leadership and all around hockey value. More than any hockey player, he reminds me of Mark Messier, not just in the way her leads but in the way he plays the game. For those of you who think we have enough leadership, you can never have enough that Shane Doan couldn't add to the equation. When the playoffs start, he ramps it up several notches. The guy has a bomb from the right point. And unlike some of our middleweights, when Shane hits you, you've been hit. I know I am prejudiced because I know and admire him and I would hate, hate to see him leave here because it probably means the team isn't far behind but you will get every cent of value for the money you spend on this player. If he couldn't earn it anymore, I am convinced he would walk away from the game.

Addendum -- Doan is a right wing (almost exclusively)

2nd Addendum -- he also takes a lot of defensive zone faceoffs. 55.9% this year
Has anyone actually raised this point?

And didn't Whitney play the point mostly, with Doan on the wall?

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Well 20 PPG would have led the NHL this year, so I would temper those expectations. The Rangers scored 23 PP goals.

But I would definitely be for the idea of giving a 4th line spot to a PP triggerman.
Hehe, make that 12 then...

...but we certainly scored more than 23 PP goals in 82 games (I looked it up, we scored 44).

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Hehe, make that 12 then...

...but we certainly scored more than 23 PP goals in 82 games (I looked it up, we scored 44).
Yeah, I'm an idiot. Of course 23 is way too low. That's the home number.

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Let's me say this one more time. I've watched Shane Doan night in and night out for the last 5 years. His scoring has slipped a tad (not very much) and I could see it slipping a little more in a few years but what hasn't slipped one bit is his dedication to the team, leadership and all around hockey value. More than any hockey player, he reminds me of Mark Messier, not just in the way her leads but in the way he plays the game. For those of you who think we have enough leadership, you can never have enough that Shane Doan couldn't add to the equation. When the playoffs start, he ramps it up several notches. The guy has a bomb from the right point. And unlike some of our middleweights, when Shane hits you, you've been hit. I know I am prejudiced because I know and admire him and I would hate, hate to see him leave here because it probably means the team isn't far behind but you will get every cent of value for the money you spend on this player. If he couldn't earn it anymore, I am convinced he would walk away from the game.

Addendum -- Doan is a right wing (almost exclusively)

2nd Addendum -- he also takes a lot of defensive zone faceoffs. 55.9% this year
Great post.

Its impossible not to like a player like Shane Doan

On the bolded part though, he would be a +35 contract so it wouldn't work that well to front load a contract (you could of course get the cap it lower, but then you would carry that hit after he retires). Unless Slats think he could ship Doan's contract to a team looking to hit the celing if that's possible with the new cba.

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Yeah, I'm an idiot. Of course 23 is way too low. That's the home number.
If so, no more than me thats for sure...

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Has anyone actually raised this point?

And didn't Whitney play the point mostly, with Doan on the wall?
No, Whitney played down low along the wall. Doan up high. Lots of times though they were on different powerplay units. And Tippett almost always stays with two defensemen, especially when the Coyotes have a lead.

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Let's me say this one more time. I've watched Shane Doan night in and night out for the last 5 years. His scoring has slipped a tad (not very much) and I could see it slipping a little more in a few years but what hasn't slipped one bit is his dedication to the team, leadership and all around hockey value. More than any hockey player, he reminds me of Mark Messier, not just in the way her leads but in the way he plays the game. For those of you who think we have enough leadership, you can never have enough that Shane Doan couldn't add to the equation. When the playoffs start, he ramps it up several notches. The guy has a bomb from the right point. And unlike some of our middleweights, when Shane hits you, you've been hit. I know I am prejudiced because I know and admire him and I would hate, hate to see him leave here because it probably means the team isn't far behind but you will get every cent of value for the money you spend on this player. If he couldn't earn it anymore, I am convinced he would walk away from the game.

Addendum -- Doan is a right wing (almost exclusively)

2nd Addendum -- he also takes a lot of defensive zone faceoffs. 55.9% this year
A great testimonial.

I believe you explained why many teams will be bidding high (salary+ length of time) for his services.

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Anyone wanting to sign a ****ing ancient Doan to more than a single year is nuts. You are nuts. You clearly didn't live through the bad mistakes of the late 90s/early 2000s Rangers. Just nuts.

Yeah, let's sign a declining player to a big long deal. Nuts.

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Anyone wanting to sign a ****ing ancient Doan to more than a single year is nuts. You are nuts. You clearly didn't live through the bad mistakes of the late 90s/early 2000s Rangers. Just nuts.

Yeah, let's sign a declining player to a big long deal. Nuts.
Jonathan. I've lived through big mistakes this team has made for over 50 years. Gump for Jacques. Passing over Bossy twice in the 1st round. Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge. And many many more.

Shane Doan would not be a mistake in any way shape or form.

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Jonathan. I've lived through big mistakes this team has made for over 50 years. Gump for Jacques. Passing over Bossy twice in the 1st round. Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge. And many many more.

Shane Doan would not be a mistake in any way shape or form.
I agree. This is not as bad as some are making it out to be.

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Anyone wanting to sign a ****ing ancient Doan to more than a single year is nuts. You are nuts. You clearly didn't live through the bad mistakes of the late 90s/early 2000s Rangers. Just nuts.

Yeah, let's sign a declining player to a big long deal. Nuts.
Nah, not nuts. Doan is a good player.

It seems like alot of things are going down around us. I was pretty sure that players like Getzlaf and Perry never would hit the market next season, but after what we have seen this season who knows. And so forth.

Realistically, getting Doan shuts the door for us on other, long term, alternatives. Thats the down side from my point of view.

But Doan would definitely help alot of people here in NY. He would take pressure of everyone from Callahan to Girardi to Staal to Boyle to Richards, among others. I don't think his age is of much concern, he has 2-3 good years left in him, even if he would decline.

You know what, we really are in a diffrent position now than we were from 97'-05'. When we got a player like Doan in those days, we basically took him in and we sent them to the ice and asked them to be our team. Now, Doan could come here and miss 4 month and I wouldn't even be worried about where our team would be at.

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Shane Doan would not be a mistake in any way shape or form.
Depends on the term, 2 years is great. 5 years is a HUGE mistake.

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I would love to add Doan to the team. Beyond the obvious he adds the kind of grit and leadership that you can't have enough of in the postseason.

That said in this market I am in a cold sweat over what Sather is offering. Anything more than 2 years could come back to bite us.

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