2012 CBJ Offseason Part III (Proposals, Speculations, Blog Rumors, etc. go here)
I evidently managed to get Post #1000 in the last thread unintentionally, so I'm making a replacement coffee pot thread. (Skraut got the last one, though)
That post, for the record:
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Originally Posted by Viqsi
Meh. If the price is an 2nd, I wouldn't mind bringing back Jake. Especially considering that right now our RW depth chart consists of Derek Dorsett, Cam Atkinson, Jared Boll, and Harvey the Rabbit.
Is he ideal? Heck no. But we need top-6 RWs in the worst way.
Skraut's followup:
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Originally Posted by Skraut
you do realize in the mains that the thread about offer-sheeting Voracek, the general consensus is that he won't sign for about 2 mill more than the value that is being talked about in this thread...
Keep piling on, y'all.
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Thanks, Howson, for cleaning up MacLean's toxic waste. Welcome, Kekalainen; let's get good things built!
I'd be fine bringing back Voracek if we could do it relatively cheap. That's doubtful though.
Changing gears slightly, anybody else getting a little anxious to see Ryan Murray signed? It was supposedly "not far off" a week ago. I know it'll happen, but I'd like for something other than Nash and offersheets to talk about.
I heard that with Pronger out due to injury they can pick up Weber's 7.8 million and still be 3.9 under the cap. Plenty enough to give Jake his needed raise to sign if they want him.
I heard that with Pronger out due to injury they can pick up Weber's 7.8 million and still be 3.9 under the cap. Plenty enough to give Jake his needed raise to sign if they want him.
Assuming the cap stays where it is, which I don't think it will.
Assuming the cap stays where it is, which I don't think it will.
NY Post is reporting NHL wants to deeply slash the salary cap next season. Of course it won't end up there, but I'm even more certain now, it's going down...
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@NYP_Brooksie: Under NHL proposal, 2011-12 cap would have been 50.8M with floor of $38.8M
If they lower the cap, they'll roll back salaries as well.
Dammit! You're probably right. I wish they couldn't roll back salaries, just the cap and the floor. The cap has gotten so high, it's almost like not having a cap at all - and that doesn't help Columbus competitively.
Dammit! You're probably right. I wish they couldn't roll back salaries, just the cap and the floor. The cap has gotten so high, it's almost like not having a cap at all - and that doesn't help Columbus competitively.
If they didn't roll back salaries, it would be utter chaos. Cap teams would be ditching guys left and right. Maybe they could do it by the start of the following season.
The only way I see the economic imbalances being worked out is much more of a revenue sharing arrangement is in place.
I read somewhere how one guy would do it, involved giving visiting teams a portion of the gate among other things. Wish I'd have bookmarked it.
And the cap can't rise as fast as it does. Maybe add some of the extra revenue to the players pension plan or something.
Was just reading another site and was reading the comments about Dale Tallon trading a 5th rounder for Casey Wellman.
The comment was:
"Low risk trade for Florida. Tallon is still building. Many of his moves are stop-gap. If they pay off, great, if not, little lost."
I think this is one (of many) areas) where Howson really falls down. Other than claiming Gilles off of waivers, I can't recall him making these kind of moves. Like taking a shot on Peter Mueller. Tallon did; Howson didn't.
If they lower the cap, they'll roll back salaries as well.
The answer lies in the vast nether that spans the un-communicated vision of the cap world in Don Fehr's mind and the collective egos of the leagues GM's
The answer lies in the vast nether that spans the un-communicated vision of the cap world in Don Fehr's mind and the collective egos of the leagues GM's
Perhaps this is a glimpse into Fehr's thinking (from today's Dispatch):
I think the professor has a great analysis of the situation. Too much revenue in some hands,not enough in others; offset by the owners saying "hey, wait a minute, we paid $x expecting $y in revenue and $z in profit.
One thing for sure is that the cap doesn't work out exactly "as intended".
Was just reading another site and was reading the comments about Dale Tallon trading a 5th rounder for Casey Wellman.
The comment was:
"Low risk trade for Florida. Tallon is still building. Many of his moves are stop-gap. If they pay off, great, if not, little lost."
I think this is one (of many) areas) where Howson really falls down. Other than claiming Gilles off of waivers, I can't recall him making these kind of moves. Like taking a shot on Peter Mueller. Tallon did; Howson didn't.
I'd like to reintroduce you to a guy by the name of Jan Hejda. Remember him?
How about that one guy picked off the scrap heap in Atlanta, y'know, Jason Williams. Helped the playoff push and then some. What did we give up to get him? Oh, yeah, an AHL point triggerman and that's it.
There's also this other guy we signed, name of Derek MacKenzie. How's he doing?
Oh, and there was some Russian we recently traded for, named Nikita Nikita or something...
Seriously, that's been his greatest strength, bar none, to a degree that that holds up well against any and every GM in the league. That's why Lori Schmidt calls him the Roster Ninja. He's damned impressive at those sorts of "pick off the scrap heap" pickups. It's anything above those - or, in some cases (Williams), retaining them afterward - where he tends to get the bulk of his criticism.
I'd like to reintroduce you to a guy by the name of Jan Hejda. Remember him?
I'll give you that one-even though it was what 4 or 5 years ago?
How about that one guy picked off the scrap heap in Atlanta, y'know, Jason Williams. Helped the playoff push and then some. What did we give up to get him? Oh, yeah, an AHL point triggerman and that's it.
Again yesterday's news
There's also this other guy we signed, name of Derek MacKenzie. How's he doing?
For a fourth liner not bad
Oh, and there was some Russian we recently traded for, named Nikita Nikita or something...
So far, so good
Seriously, that's been his greatest strength, bar none, to a degree that that holds up well against any and every GM in the league.
Especially Maloney in Phoenix and Tallon in Florida who rebuilt rosters in a couple of years or less and made the playoffs
That's why Lori Schmidt calls him the Roster Ninja. He's damned impressive at those sorts of "pick off the scrap heap" pickups. It's anything above those - or, in some cases (Williams), retaining them afterward - where he tends to get the bulk of his criticism.
I'll give you that he's made a couple of decent trades-but as far as being the maestro of free agency, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Which isn't unusual.
