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No matter what happens with Weber, are the Flyers no longer trading for Bobby Ryan?

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07-20-2012, 04:07 PM
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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
People said that Peter Forsberg to the Flyers after the lockout made them "the deepest team in the league" and predicted multiple Cups. They got bounced in the first round in '06 and then traded Forsberg away during the next season, which was the Flyers' worst in history. We still have to play the games.

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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
Nope.avi

They would most certainly be a contender, but there are multiple teams that could stack up with them.

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07-20-2012, 04:24 PM
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Actually, theres nothing stopping the flyers trading for Ryan if Weber comes.
uh, the salary cap?

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07-20-2012, 04:47 PM
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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
Really? During CBA negotiations, you have to say this?!

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07-20-2012, 04:59 PM
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I'd honestly just wait and see if he reaches free agency. As long as there is some money available I'm pretty sure Bobby would be pretty willing to sign in Philly considering he said he'd like to play here while being a member of another team.

Imagine a core of:

Giroux
Couturier
B. Schenn
Ryan
Weber
L. Schenn
Coburn

Wow.
One of these things it not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong!


all jokes aside, I think Holmgren will wait until the new CBA is done. As is he might be a little worried.

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07-20-2012, 05:09 PM
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If the Flyers get Weber for the picks (which is unlikely) they'll get Ryan for Coburn/Meszaros and Voracek/Read and maybe a prospect. My guess.
Yeeeah Ducks would never do that.

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07-20-2012, 07:29 PM
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Yeeeah Ducks would never do that.
Maybe not but I think a top-4 dman, a second line winger, and a good prospect is a pretty good return for Ryan. It's certainly not absurdly low.

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Yeeeah Ducks would never do that.
If the Flyers offered Coburn + Voracek, Holmgren should be fired.

If it was offered, and Murray turned it down, he should be fired.

The difference between Ryan and Voracek is not Coburn.

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If the Flyers offered Coburn + Voracek, Holmgren should be fired.

If it was offered, and Murray turned it down, he should be fired.

The difference between Ryan and Voracek is not Coburn.
The reason Holmgren does it is because they'd probably much rather have Ryan than Voracek, he's a much better match for Giroux on the first line.

Coburn/Mesz are good strong defenders, but after adding Weber it wouldn't be a need for the Flyers and they could use the cap relief after adding Weber with nothing going back but picks.

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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
lolwut? They still have holes in their lineup with Weber.

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The Flyers need Weber more than they need Ryan or Nash.

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please don't forget, you have bryzgalov in net!! could go either way, probably bad.

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07-20-2012, 08:28 PM
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If the Flyers get Weber, then Ryan obviously falls off the table... but I don't see why the OP would think that Ryan is out of the question regardless.

It's no secret that the Flyers aren't going to trade either of Schenn/Cotourier. They just traded for the former's brother, and the latter was great for them last year. However, they could still put together a very solid package for Ryan that includes Read & picks.

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If the Flyers get Weber, then Ryan obviously falls off the table... but I don't see why the OP would think that Ryan is out of the question regardless.

It's no secret that the Flyers aren't going to trade either of Schenn/Cotourier. They just traded for the former's brother, and the latter was great for them last year. However, they could still put together a very solid package for Ryan that includes Read & picks.
If Schenn/Cotourier are made available all bets are off, but without either of them and without any first round selections for the next 4 years, what package are you making for Ryan that the Ducks would want? I predict they aren't going to just fall over themselves to get Read + 2nd.

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If the Flyers get Weber, then Ryan obviously falls off the table... but I don't see why the OP would think that Ryan is out of the question regardless.

It's no secret that the Flyers aren't going to trade either of Schenn/Cotourier. They just traded for the former's brother, and the latter was great for them last year. However, they could still put together a very solid package for Ryan that includes Read & picks.
Didn't the Ducks ask for Schenn or Cotourier and Holmgren said no? If so that's why I can't see Ryan going to the Flyers since they wouldn't include both of them for Weber. Now maybe you are right and they could try a package of other players, however I think from Anaheim's prospective it's Schenn or Cotourier or no deal at all.

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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
Yet Weber alone does not address the questionable goaltending and the shaky defensive play (across the board) that we saw this past post-season.

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However, they could still put together a very solid package for Ryan that includes Read & picks.
Why would we care about Read and picks? Didn't Portzline already say that we turned down Brassard+ or something when Howson came calling?

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If Schenn/Cotourier are made available all bets are off, but without either of them and without any first round selections for the next 4 years, what package are you making for Ryan that the Ducks would want? I predict they aren't going to just fall over themselves to get Read + 2nd.
Those 2 guys aren't going to be available.

But the Flyers could still get Ryan if they don't get Weber. They'd have picks, Read, Voracek, Simmons, Coburn, Meszaros, etc.

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Those 2 guys aren't going to be available.

But the Flyers could still get Ryan if they don't get Weber. They'd have picks, Read, Voracek, Simmons, Coburn, Meszaros, etc.
I am not saying that you do not have other players and picks, I am doubting that you can get Ryan with them. For clarification.

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If we get Weber we are not getting Ryan. Maybe we will sign Doan or Semin to a 1 year contract.
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if the Flyers get Weber, IMHO they are the favorite to win the Cup, if you add Ryan ... well heck might as well not even play the season.
Why? They still have Bryzgalov in net. They could have gotten Weber and Suter, but if Bryz has a season next year like he did this year, all their upgrades produce marginally better results.

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I am not saying that you do not have other players and picks, I am doubting that you can get Ryan with them. For clarification.
Based on what? Simmonds scored 28 goals last year. Coburn is a top 4 defenseman. Shall I go on?

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No you won't
It was probably two different thoughts.

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If the Flyers offered Coburn + Voracek, Holmgren should be fired.

If it was offered, and Murray turned it down, he should be fired.

The difference between Ryan and Voracek is not Coburn.
Then what is it? Voracek has a career high 18 goals and has pretty much stayed at the same level in the last 3 seasons.

Voracek + Coburn is an extremely reasonable request from Anaheim.

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