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07-21-2012, 12:26 PM
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Nsh beatwriter McCann on hockeybuzz is leaning towards the NHL rejecting the contract. Sounds like desperation. NHL would have acted by friday if so.

Polls show 63% of fans feel Nsh doesnt match (TSN and slam polls)

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Paul McCann is not a beat writer. He is the PA guy with a blog on a site that is known more for its inaccuracies than anything else. And yes, you have told us about the TSN polls. Thanks for telling us again...

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Nsh beatwriter McCann on hockeybuzz is leaning towards the NHL rejecting the contract. Sounds like desperation. NHL would have acted by friday if so.

Polls show 63% of fans feel Nsh doesnt match (TSN and slam polls)
I'm sure if it was going to be rejected, the NHL would have done it already

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Nsh beatwriter McCann on hockeybuzz is leaning towards the NHL rejecting the contract. Sounds like desperation. NHL would have acted by friday if so.

Polls show 63% of fans feel Nsh doesnt match (TSN and slam polls)
McCann isn't most objective of bloggers...nothing wrong with that as long as long as he admits his bias...which he does.

I'd be really surprised if the NHL rejects this deal...precedence has been set already with the Suter and Parise deals. If the NHL didn't reject those, why would they reject this one?

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I'm sure if it was going to be rejected, the NHL would have done it already
If the NHL were going to reject it they would have rejected it. Paul McCann is a good guy, but his blogs are essentially long HF Boards posts. Just opinions with no inside info.

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Nsh beatwriter McCann on hockeybuzz is leaning towards the NHL rejecting the contract. Sounds like desperation. NHL would have acted by friday if so.

Polls show 63% of fans feel Nsh doesnt match (TSN and slam polls)
Those the same fans that vote that the Toronto Maple Leafs will make the playoffs every year?

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If the NHL were going to reject it they would have rejected it. Paul McCann is a good guy, but his blogs are essentially long HF Boards posts. Just opinions...
The only thought I had about them rejecting it was that the offersheet isn't actually a contract and they would void it at the time of the signing thus making the 7 day thing happen again.. But I doubt they would do that

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I thought about that, too, but it is a signed contract. The only thing that is keeping it from being effective is the time period during which the Preds can match. It seems to me that the NHL could make it null and void any time they want considering it has been signed.

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Oh, the business board and main boards speak of it like the intention to sign a contract based on those terms

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It is my understanding that once an offer sheet is signed it is an actual contract. It just remains to be seen under which team the contract will be recognized. It is entirely possible that I am wrong, and that the NHL views this as an intent thing.

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Those the same fans that vote that the Toronto Maple Leafs will make the playoffs every year?
Or the same ones who voted Karlsson over Weber this year for the norris.


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Hockey writers voted Karlsson over Weber, not fans. We are talking about the same people who vote for the ASG players, though. Nuff said.

Polls are a good way of telling how people feel about something, but they are not a good way of deciding how a situation like this will play out.

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It is my understanding that once an offer sheet is signed it is an actual contract. It just remains to be seen under which team the contract will be recognized. It is entirely possible that I am wrong, and that the NHL views this as an intent thing.
It's essentially a contract worksheet, but, not the contract itself. The CBA states that after the offer sheet process is complete, the player and team must promptly complete a contract. However, there is enough information contained in the offer sheet for the league to evaluate if the offer should be rejected.

If the Richards, Suter, or Parise contracts weren't voided I doubt this one does. Same concept, just bigger dollar amounts.

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For those who want to know the latest: Phila.reporters go with the Gratton solution.

Some of their fans go for the hardball solution: they take the 4 picks or they pay him up.
Some expect some Voracek/Meszaros/picks combo.

I feel Couturier is coming Nsh way. Not the Schenns and certainly not B.Schenn + Couturier.

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I'm not sure how you can call what random people think "the latest". In fact, it isn't the latest. It's just speculation.

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It's essentially a contract worksheet, but, not the contract itself. The CBA states that after the offer sheet process is complete, the player and team must promptly complete a contract. However, there is enough information contained in the offer sheet for the league to evaluate if the offer should be rejected.

If the Richards, Suter, or Parise contracts weren't voided I doubt this one does. Same concept, just bigger dollar amounts.
OK that makes sense. In any event, the NHL won't be rejecting this contract. I would imagine that they are stuck. If they reject it they create some ill-will with the PA during a time when they don't need that. If they don't reject it they lose leverage if the owners want to claim they aren't making enough money.

Philly is pretty good at putting people between a rock and a ****ing hard place.

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McCann isn't most objective of bloggers...nothing wrong with that as long as long as he admits his bias...which he does.

I'd be really surprised if the NHL rejects this deal...precedence has been set already with the Suter and Parise deals. If the NHL didn't reject those, why would they reject this one?
And kolvalchuk

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And kolvalchuk
Kovalchuk's contract had him under contract til the age of 44 with the last 6 years under 1m

2010-11: $6 million
2011-12: $6 million
2012-13: $11.5 million
2013-14: $11.5 million
2014-15: $11.5 million
2015-16: $11.5 million
2016-17: $11.5 million
2017-18: $10.5 million
2018-19: $8.5 million
2019-20: $6.5 million
2020-21: $3.5 Million
2021-22: $750,000
2022-23: $550,000
2023-24: $550,000
2024-25: $550,000
2025-26: $550,000
2026-27: $550,000

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Some of their fans go for the hardball solution: they take the 4 picks or they pay him up.
Some expect some Voracek/Meszaros/picks combo.

I feel Couturier is coming Nsh way. Not the Schenns and certainly not B.Schenn + Couturier.
As a Flyers fan who's been following the details of this OS very closely...I don't see how Couturier is coming NSH's way (or the Schenn's).

We have NSH strong-armed right now. You may get some good players in return (Read, Voracek, Meszaros, etc.), but we're in no tough position here. So I have to think Philly says no to Couturier. I believe he and Giroux are the only untouchables on the Flyers.

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Because 3 years did nothing for us, only delayed the inevitable. Going the 1 year deal left us still somewhat protected, that if Weber wouldn't commit here long-term, we would get some kind of compensation back for him this off-season. And we will, though probably not the package we would be hoping for.

A 3-year deal probably would have seen him walking at the end of year 3 for absolutely nothing. We can believe that Weber would have been tradeable at the beginning of year 3, or at the deadline (depending on our place in the standings), but as a rental, I just don't see even the best d-man in the NHL bringing the package back that some people seem to expect he would.

I also take his agent's words with a grain of salt on this. Who knows when that deal was offered in the negotiations.
IMO Poile played this the only way he could. Posted that on the trade rumor board and had all sorts of peole talking about how stupid that logic was. Figured some Preds fans would understand this. Thankfully it seems most do.

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Kovalchuk's contract had him under contract til the age of 44 with the last 6 years under 1m

2010-11: $6 million
2011-12: $6 million
2012-13: $11.5 million
2013-14: $11.5 million
2014-15: $11.5 million
2015-16: $11.5 million
2016-17: $11.5 million
2017-18: $10.5 million
2018-19: $8.5 million
2019-20: $6.5 million
2020-21: $3.5 Million
2021-22: $750,000
2022-23: $550,000
2023-24: $550,000
2024-25: $550,000
2025-26: $550,000
2026-27: $550,000
It's not about the numbers, its about the intent of the contract

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The NHL's contention is that the structure of the contract -- Kovalchuk was due to earn $98.5 million of the contract's value in the first 11 seasons -- was in place to get around the salary cap.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072105796.html

I think webers 11 year payout will be 95 million. Are you going to argue that this contract in no way is made to circumvent the salary cap? If so, I want to hear it.

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couturier + meszaros + 2013 1st round pick and ill be okay. if we lose weber, and dont get couturier... then fire poile.

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