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07-21-2012, 08:01 PM
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If Doan walks, does Phoenix get desperate and try to pry Krejci away? I can't imagine Chia is shopping him, but he's got to at least listen to offers. No?

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If Doan walks, does Phoenix get desperate and try to pry Krejci away? I can't imagine Chia is shopping him, but he's got to at least listen to offers. No?
That is his job.

I can understand a GM putting an "untouchable" tag on some players. But that tag can be removed.

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I'd love to see Semin play with Krejci. That would help he offense big time. 5 years 30 mill for Semin
There is no general manager on earth who is going to give Semin a five-year contract.

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There is no general manager on earth who is going to give Semin a five-year contract.
i think a couple of teams may give him 5 years. But i don't see the Bruins doing it.

Teams i can see doing it, Pens,Devils,Preds,Leafs,Red Wings,Islander and i wouldn't count the Caps out.

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That is his job.

I can understand a GM putting an "untouchable" tag on some players. But that tag can be removed.
You can say the same thing about Maloney and Yandle. The Coyotes may have interest in acquiring Krejci, but the price seems to be too high. There are cheaper alternatives (granted for a lesser player than Krejci). Even though I do not like to think about Yandle not on the Coyotes, If he was on the Bruins, his upside could be to put up 70+ points in the season. He knows when to jump into the offense, he is very fast and can catch a break away from behind, reads the play as it develops, and is a fierce competitor. From reading around the hfboards, Yandle is underrated.

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You can say the same thing about Maloney and Yandle. The Coyotes may have interest in acquiring Krejci, but the price seems to be too high. There are cheaper alternatives (granted for a lesser player than Krejci). Even though I do not like to think about Yandle not on the Coyotes, If he was on the Bruins, his upside could be to put up 70+ points in the season. He knows when to jump into the offense, he is very fast and can catch a break away from behind, reads the play as it develops, and is a fierce competitor. From reading around the hfboards, Yandle is underrated.
I agree.

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There is no general manager on earth who is going to give Semin a five-year contract.
Jay Feaster would give him 7

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Nah, just a no-trade.

Seriously, though, if the rumors are true that Semin doesn't want to play in the KHL, somebody is going to pick him up at a bargain-basement price. Big "if," though.

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I can see Don Maloney having interest in Peverley also...

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Nah, just a no-trade.

Seriously, though, if the rumors are true that Semin doesn't want to play in the KHL, somebody is going to pick him up at a bargain-basement price. Big "if," though.
I'd definitely take Semin on a 3 year deal if I thought it wouldn't impact our ability to re-sign our RFA's. I would freaking love to get him on a 1 year deal if that was at all possible.

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Jay Feaster would give him 7
Was thinkin Paul Holmgren would too

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Nah, just a no-trade.

Seriously, though, if the rumors are true that Semin doesn't want to play in the KHL, somebody is going to pick him up at a bargain-basement price. Big "if," though.
You heard wrong Artemis, it wasn`t that Semin doesn`t want to play in the KHL, it`s that the KHL doesn`t want Semin

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I'd definitely take Semin on a 3 year deal if I thought it wouldn't impact our ability to re-sign our RFA's. I would freaking love to get him on a 1 year deal if that was at all possible.
His 'character' and committment is about as anti Bruin as they come

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His 'character' and committment is about as anti Bruin as they come
Yep... I don't know where this infatuation from Semin is coming from. There's a reason why the guy didn't sign already and it's certainly not because Washington black mail him. Work ethic and commitment were always questionable. He also have a reputation to become a malcontent when he have to play in an " X " system. Moody player rarely deliver the goods... Semin's definitely not the kind of player to give to Claude. You know what happen when you don't work hard enough or your game slip when it become to Claude: you're demoted ... Semin would be LIVID to be demoted and would probably ask for a trade

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Yep... I don't know where this infatuation from Semin is coming from. There's a reason why the guy didn't sign already and it's certainly not because Washington black mail him. Work ethic and commitment were always questionable. He also have a reputation to become a malcontent when he have to play in an " X " system. Moody player rarely deliver the goods... Semin's definitely not the kind of player to give to Claude. You know what happen when you don't work hard enough or your game slip when it become to Claude: you're demoted ... Semin would be LIVID to be demoted and would probably ask for a trade
Hear ya there, ya go back and read the posts here during the B`s/Caps series and when his name is brought up, in spite of some pts/goals here and there, he is often referred to by fans here as a guy with no heart, the Tin Man for sure, now those fans want this guy?????

It`s like Ryder, gets pummelled here rightly so for 2 years about his play, then has a nice playoff, makes THE save, moves to Dallas, has a nice year and HE then is referred to here by man as a missing piece as to why the B`s got bounced this past year

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Hear ya there, ya go back and read the posts here during the B`s/Caps series and when his name is brought up, in spite of some pts/goals here and there, he is often referred to by fans here as a guy with no heart, the Tin Man for sure, now those fans want this guy?????

It`s like Ryder, gets pummelled here rightly so for 2 years about his play, then has a nice playoff, makes THE save, moves to Dallas, has a nice year and HE then is referred to here by man as a missing piece as to why the B`s got bounced this past year
I think it's too easy to say to that Ryder was the " missing piece " in the last playoffs. I mean, Bergeron was hurt, Horton out... Ryder had a nice run in Dallas but there's so many factors in play that we can't conclude that Ryder was the missing link. I mean, is it Dallas's system who helped Ryder or maybe it's Ryder who finally " got it ". Maybe it's his teammates or the fact that Ryder find more " open ice " in WC then he did in the EC? We will never know...

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I think it's too easy to say to that Ryder was the " missing piece " in the last playoffs. I mean, Bergeron was hurt, Horton out... Ryder had a nice run in Dallas but there's so many factors in play that we can't conclude that Ryder was the missing link. I mean, is it Dallas's system who helped Ryder or maybe it's Ryder who finally " got it ". Maybe it's his teammates or the fact that Ryder find more " open ice " in WC then he did in the EC? We will never know...
I agree, while Ryder was a missing piece, so was Horton, McQuaid and throw in the injured less effective Bergeron and Seguin. All these things add up.

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The whole Yandle thing bothers me. Most teams don't try to trade their so called number one D'man that has a reasonable cap hit and is signed for 4 more years. Ekman-Larsson has already surpassed him in ice time and it looks like Yandle was a second pairing guy in the playoffs. Guys like Morris and Rozsival eat just as much minutes as Yandle and that speaks to his value as well. I wouldn't trade Krejci for him and for his value I think his salary is on the high side. For example value wise I'd take Seidenberg 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

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From reading around the hfboards, Yandle is underrated.
My take from around the boards is that most players are overrated. It seems that most of us, me included at times, just want to make a trade that gets more, usually much more, than they are willing to give. As far as our D goes, with the recent signings I'm satisfied with it. I would like to improve on the F though. BUT, I'm willing to wait for training camp and evaluate what I have unless a "can't refuse" deal comes along.

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Ryder was not "THE" piece missing from winning in the playoffs...but he was certainly one of them. He, along with Horton were clutch, while the forwards that were in the playoffs last year were anything but clutch.

I won't name names (don't have to), but the forwards were a disaster. It's easy to bash Ryder because he is gone, but without him and Horton forget the Cup. I am not saying you need that player specifically, but you need goal scorers. Right now we have Seguin....that's really it. Horton maybe, but I wouldn't bet on him being the same player. I don't think Seguin should be in that role. He should be more of an Yzerman type of player for this team. We need a finisher or two to make another run. Hopefully Marchand snaps out of what bit him last year.

The year we won the Cup was amazing and it took the full cast to make it happen. You can't count on that happening again. You NEED role players. That means two-way guys like Bergy, playmakers, finishers, shut down guys. The roles can be handled by guys who can do multiple things TO AN EXTENT, but you should have some specialists.

I still find it odd that people rag on Ryder for his regular season play when he was so clutch in the playoffs.

I pose this as an honest question. Who cares about the regular season? Let that sink in before you answer it. Think about the Canucks regular season when the Bruins won the Cup. Could it have been any better? Could the players have had better stats? Could the Sedin's have been more dominant? When Chara lifted the Cup did it matter? Growing up I watched a Bruins team that often dominated in the East, won President's trophies sometimes, put together amazing records, was a favorite to go to the Cup- then did NOTHING. I would rather have the 8th seed Kings who won the Cup.

If you gave me a choice of a guy who got 60 goals in the regular season and got blanked in the playoffs, and a guy who got 20 in the regular season and scored like a madman regularly won games in the playoffs guess who I would pick.

Stats are nice, but in the end you need players who can step up and score when you need it. Sometimes those guys don't fit the mold that you may like. They may not have the "character" or "grit" or be a "Bruins type" of player, but I know I would have loved one of those guys last year.

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Ryder was not "THE" piece missing from winning in the playoffs...but he was certainly one of them. He, along with Horton were clutch, while the forwards that were in the playoffs last year were anything but clutch.

I won't name names (don't have to), but the forwards were a disaster. It's easy to bash Ryder because he is gone, but without him and Horton forget the Cup. I am not saying you need that player specifically, but you need goal scorers. Right now we have Seguin....that's really it. Horton maybe, but I wouldn't bet on him being the same player. I don't think Seguin should be in that role. He should be more of an Yzerman type of player for this team. We need a finisher or two to make another run. Hopefully Marchand snaps out of what bit him last year.

The year we won the Cup was amazing and it took the full cast to make it happen. You can't count on that happening again. You NEED role players. That means two-way guys like Bergy, playmakers, finishers, shut down guys. The roles can be handled by guys who can do multiple things TO AN EXTENT, but you should have some specialists.

I still find it odd that people rag on Ryder for his regular season play when he was so clutch in the playoffs.

I pose this as an honest question. Who cares about the regular season? Let that sink in before you answer it. Think about the Canucks regular season when the Bruins won the Cup. Could it have been any better? Could the players have had better stats? Could the Sedin's have been more dominant? When Chara lifted the Cup did it matter? Growing up I watched a Bruins team that often dominated in the East, won President's trophies sometimes, put together amazing records, was a favorite to go to the Cup- then did NOTHING. I would rather have the 8th seed Kings who won the Cup.

If you gave me a choice of a guy who got 60 goals in the regular season and got blanked in the playoffs, and a guy who got 20 in the regular season and scored like a madman regularly won games in the playoffs guess who I would pick.

Stats are nice, but in the end you need players who can step up and score when you need it. Sometimes those guys don't fit the mold that you may like. They may not have the "character" or "grit" or be a "Bruins type" of player, but I know I would have loved one of those guys last year.
Agreed with this all, especially the opening of your post.

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Ryder was not "THE" piece missing from winning in the playoffs...but he was certainly one of them. He, along with Horton were clutch, while the forwards that were in the playoffs last year were anything but clutch.

I won't name names (don't have to), but the forwards were a disaster. It's easy to bash Ryder because he is gone, but without him and Horton forget the Cup. I am not saying you need that player specifically, but you need goal scorers. Right now we have Seguin....that's really it. Horton maybe, but I wouldn't bet on him being the same player. I don't think Seguin should be in that role. He should be more of an Yzerman type of player for this team. We need a finisher or two to make another run. Hopefully Marchand snaps out of what bit him last year.

The year we won the Cup was amazing and it took the full cast to make it happen. You can't count on that happening again. You NEED role players. That means two-way guys like Bergy, playmakers, finishers, shut down guys. The roles can be handled by guys who can do multiple things TO AN EXTENT, but you should have some specialists.

I still find it odd that people rag on Ryder for his regular season play when he was so clutch in the playoffs.

I pose this as an honest question. Who cares about the regular season? Let that sink in before you answer it. Think about the Canucks regular season when the Bruins won the Cup. Could it have been any better? Could the players have had better stats? Could the Sedin's have been more dominant? When Chara lifted the Cup did it matter? Growing up I watched a Bruins team that often dominated in the East, won President's trophies sometimes, put together amazing records, was a favorite to go to the Cup- then did NOTHING. I would rather have the 8th seed Kings who won the Cup.

If you gave me a choice of a guy who got 60 goals in the regular season and got blanked in the playoffs, and a guy who got 20 in the regular season and scored like a madman regularly won games in the playoffs guess who I would pick.

Stats are nice, but in the end you need players who can step up and score when you need it. Sometimes those guys don't fit the mold that you may like. They may not have the "character" or "grit" or be a "Bruins type" of player, but I know I would have loved one of those guys last year.
Awesome stuff.
I agree on most of it, but I have one remark.

It's easy to say "I take the playoff scorer over the regular season scorer", but in the end your playoff performer might not be given the chance to prove himself if it wasn't for your 60 goal guy.
It's also easy to celebrate a clutch playoff guy like Ryder or Krejci, but imo it is unfair to give the regular season artist (who maybe are playoff chokers) flak for not being able to play their best for more than 6 months.
Sure, the playoffs do matter more, but if your team only consists of those playoff type of guys, you won't even get to play in late April/May.

5 less points and noone would have talked about the Kings.
You also have to work hard during the regular season. Even the Bruins won't reach them "en passant" ... it sometimes does sound like it over here; like the playoffs are a sure thing.

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Awesome stuff.
I agree on most of it, but I have one remark.

It's easy to say "I take the playoff scorer over the regular season scorer", but in the end your playoff performer might not be given the chance to prove himself if it wasn't for your 60 goal guy.
It's also easy to celebrate a clutch playoff guy like Ryder or Krejci, but imo it is unfair to give the regular season artist (who maybe are playoff chokers) flak for not being able to play their best for more than 6 months.
Sure, the playoffs do matter more, but if your team only consists of those playoff type of guys, you won't even get to play in late April/May.

5 less points and noone would have talked about the Kings.
You also have to work hard during the regular season. Even the Bruins won't reach them "en passant" ... it sometimes does sound like it over here; like the playoffs are a sure thing.
I agree 100%. And hopefully your guys do BOTH. It does help to have a higher seed. I just think that sometimes we focus a little too much on reg season stats. I would love to have a guy or two who is like Ryder.

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Monster seasons and 60 goal seasons cost money. If Horton scored 60 this coming season (this is just an example) his salary then gets close to the 6-7 mill range. We can afford to have good depth because we have our best forwards topping out in the 5 mil range and also because Julien coaches a conservative system and shares the icetime very evenly. I'm not saying our gameplan is designed to hold anybody back but it is a very fortunate side effect of our style and our use of 4 lines.

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So? So was Tomas Kaberle's, and we don't win a cup without him.

It's one thing to have a team approach. To not be willing to look outside that approach for quality talent is myopic and self-limiting. Not a good way to be the best of the best.

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