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2012 Minnesota #3 Prospect

View Poll Results: Who is the #3 Minnesota Wild Prospect?
Brett Bulmer 3 2.42%
Raphael Bussieres 0 0%
Charlie Coyle 61 49.19%
Tyler Cuma 0 0%
John Draeger 0 0%
Mathew Dumba 30 24.19%
Adam Gilmour 0 0%
Matt Hackett 1 0.81%
Steven Kampfer 0 0%
Darcy Kuemper 1 0.81%
Johan Larsson 11 8.87%
Mario Lucia 0 0%
Zack Phillips 2 1.61%
Jason Zucker 15 12.10%
Other (please explain) 0 0%
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07-22-2012, 12:25 AM
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Coyle has mixed in enough forgettable performances to be considered with the best. True, he has been out of the world at some points, but he needs to put it all together all the time.

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<Qualified Wild prospect here!>

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I really wish my phone had that. Save me some trouble.

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First company to successfully market the cellphone breathalyzer will make millions.

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First company to successfully market the cellphone breathalyzer will make millions.
LG's already been-there-done-that back in 2006!

LG's LP4100 prevents drunk dialing

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LG's already been-there-done-that back in 2006!

LG's LP4100 prevents drunk dialing
You know when you're too drunk to drive. A beer or two or two glasses of wine and you're fine. Driving after four or five pints you are effed!

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Because he's the highest drafted prospect the Wild owns the rights to. And his potential is arguably as high as anyone. For me only Granlund would beat him in that category.

When you take look at the prospects included in the poll so far, only Larsson and Bulmer took large steps forward this past season versus previous years in the same league. The rest made slight gains or just held serve. Also, none of them have made it yet full-time in a North American pro league. Maturation =/= improvement necessary for NHL success.
Only you would define production as progression. Thanks, once again, for proving what we already know.

Draft slot ≠ "potential."

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I really enjoy these polls!

I voted for Coyle. True that the NCAA performance wasn't great but there were extenuating circumstances. The QMJHL/CHL performance, on the other hand, was over the top.

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Wow, I'm very surprised Zucker got so little votes..

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^Why?

Just curious.

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Because he did great at the scrimmages and he showed great potential in those few games he played last year

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Because he did great at the scrimmages and he showed great potential in those few games he played last year
He did? I thought he looked good not great. On screen typing sucks!!

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I think most fans see Zucker's potential ceiling as much lower than some of our other prospects - which is why he's not getting a ton of votes... Yet.

It's really no knock on Zucker, but much more a testament to how strong our prospect pool is. He'd likely be among top prospects on most other NHL teams.

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Because he did great at the scrimmages and he showed great potential in those few games he played last year
Just my opinion, but it's hard to judge these players in those scrimmages. It was basically two days of shinny hockey....

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I think most fans see Zucker's potential ceiling as much lower than some of our other prospects - which is why he's not getting a ton of votes... Yet.

It's really no knock on Zucker, but much more a testament to how strong our prospect pool is. He'd likely be among top prospects on most other NHL teams.
Agreed. Although I think he has great potential as well but his features aren't quite the same as Brodin, Dumba, Granlund or Coyle. To me he isn't the guy who you'd build the team around. All aforementioned have something that stands out as special features; great skating and positioning (Brodin), offensive presence as a dman (Dumba), hockey IQ (Granlund), physical two-way play (Coyle).

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There seems to be two schools of thought when it comes to ranking prospects:

1) Those have that the highest upside potential.

2) Those that are the safest bets to have an NHL career.

I put myself into the first group. I'm ranking prospects in order of highest potential impact on the team. So, I will be voting for players with top line forward and top pairing defensemen (Granlund, Coyle, Brodin and Dumba) over those who I feel have a ceiling of 2nd and 3rd line forward and 2nd or 3rd pairing defensemen (Bulmer, Zucker, Larsson, Phillips, Draeger, etc.)

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There seems to be two schools of thought when it comes to ranking prospects:

1) Those have that the highest upside potential.

2) Those that are the safest bets to have an NHL career.

I put myself into the first group. I'm ranking prospects in order of highest potential impact on the team. So, I will be voting for players with top line forward and top pairing defensemen (Granlund, Coyle, Brodin and Dumba) over those who I feel have a ceiling of 2nd and 3rd line forward and 2nd or 3rd pairing defensemen (Bulmer, Zucker, Larsson, Phillips, Draeger, etc.)
Disagree, I think it's more a grey area between the two. You can have players with a very high ceiling but very unlikely to reach it as well, thus a player who could end up as an average first liner/elite second liner can out rank someone with slightly more potential...that's why Larsson squeaks in ahead of Dumba for me. His likelihood of reaching Koivu's level is greater than Dumba's likelihood of being an elite first pairing Defenseman.

Not a knock against Dumba at all, I just have mad respect for where Larsson is heading and am that much more sure he's going to get there.

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Disagree, I think it's more a grey area between the two. You can have players with a very high ceiling but very unlikely to reach it as well, thus a player who could end up as an average first liner/elite second liner can out rank someone with slightly more potential...that's why Larsson squeaks in ahead of Dumba for me. His likelihood of reaching Koivu's level is greater than Dumba's likelihood of being an elite first pairing Defenseman.

Not a knock against Dumba at all, I just have mad respect for where Larsson is heading and am that much more sure he's going to get there.
Actually, I don't think you disagree with me at all...Since you think Larsson has a potential ceiling of a top line forward, you rank him higher than other prospects like Zucker, Bulmber and Phillips who's ceiling (I believe) are 2nd and 3rd line players.

So, you fall into the 1st group, just as I do. Where we disagree is the potential ceilings of Larsson and Dumba.

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Voted Zucker.


Could have easily have voted Coyle, Larsson, or Dumba instead but ended up with Zucker cause... Yeah just because..

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I agree with the "JZ at 3 is silly" group.

Dumba has way, way, way more upside.

Coyle and Larsson have not only more upside, but more probability, too, IMO.

When ranking my Top 10 prospects a month ago, my biggest regret was putting Zucker over Bulmer. Bulmer has more upside, and about the same, if not more probability than Zucker.

I like Zucker, but I think his upside is a high-end third line player who can agitate and play Top 6 if needed. Kind of like Steve Ott. You need guys like that, but in a prospect pool this stacked, he's not the third best.

BTW, I can't vote, but my vote would be for Coyle.

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