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Flyers sign Shea Weber to 14-year offer sheet ($7.857M Cap Hit) (Pt VII)

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07-22-2012, 10:52 AM
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I'm a little worried Poile will demand the Schenn brothers as an agreement not to match in return for 2 of phillys draft picks back.
Very realistic for this to happen. Poile still needs a competitive team and he will do whatever it takes if he loses weber to get the most in return for him

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If the Preds dont match they will never shed the small market farm team stigma. I would have preferred Weber in Detroit, but seeing him and Suter leave Nashville just sent them back to the stone age so it's a silver lining, albeit a small one.

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Agreed. But for those that assume they will match... why weren't they discussing a contract with Shea instead of shopping him around earlier this week?
How do we know they weren't doing both?

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At this point, I am confident that Eklund's dog is a more legitimate rumor source than HockeyI....

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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches


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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches
What does 'adequate trade' equal?

They weren't getting Schenn or Couturier..

And you don't waste 27m in one season to trade the player away..

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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches
Yes, but that's not an optopn for the Predators, whether Poile could get more or not, they will NOT match the offer sheet and trade Weber in a year.

As for your question, let's just say it depends. Would I mind if we got a 1st back for Voracek? No. Two 1sts for the Schenn brothers? Yes.

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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches
You can keep him.

Thats the point of an offersheet.

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Can Nashville trade his rights right now?

I mean because they can't trade him for a year if they match the offer sheet so can they just trade his rights before the deadline is up and have the team they traded him to match the offer?

If so I could see that scenario happening as a big middle finger to the flyers organization.
The amount of times the same question has been asked across these threads has been immense. Just read back a page or two mate, it's been answered a dozen times.

Weber currently belongs to the Flyers.

I can see Poile bluffing to Holmgren. If he decides he can't match he'll try and get a few players out of us in response. Not very classy

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The amount of times the same question has been asked across these threads has been immense. Just read back a page or two mate, it's been answered a dozen times.

Weber currently belongs to the Flyers.
No one ever bothers to read the OP.. which come to think of it, i didn't put the FAQ in

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FAQ
1. What's the compensation? The average value is just 7.857M, doesnt that mean it's only 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd?
A: No, as per CBA 10.4, the term used in an offersheet calculation is the lower of the term of the contract and five years. 110M/5 = 22M. 22M > 8.4M. Compensation is four first round picks.

2: How long does nashville have to make a decision?
A: Per CBA 10.3 B+C, if nashville does not exercise their right of first refusal within seven days, Shea Weber can sign a contract with the flyers matching the terms of this offersheet.

3: Can nashville match and trade him?
A: Nashville cannot trade him for one calendar year from the time they match the offersheet. If they wait the full seven days, they cannot trade him until July 26th 2013 (CBA 10.3 B)

4: Wait, what if there's an NTC/NMC? Then isnt Nashville stuck with this contract?
A: Nashville only has to match the principal terms of the offersheet, meaning the salary/signing bonuses/structure. (CBA 10.3 B+E)

5. What if nashville trades him right now to another team?
A: Nashville cannot trade him once he has signed the offersheet (CBA 10.3 A)

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Friend told me last night that word is Weber doesn't want to play for NSH any more and will be upset, but understanding, if they match the offer.

I don't think they have the financial ability to match... it's just a horrible, horrible business decision to match this contract thanks to the uber front-loaded nature. It could easily bankrupt the team if there's a substantial strike/lockout this offseason.

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Friend told me last night that word is Weber doesn't want to play for NSH any more and will be upset, but understanding, if they match the offer.

I don't think they have the financial ability to match... it's just a horrible, horrible business decision to match this contract thanks to the uber front-loaded nature. It could easily bankrupt the team if there's a substantial strike/lockout this offseason.
The first part his agent has said numerous times

2nd part is why it's probably taking so long for them to decide

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Friend told me last night that word is Weber doesn't want to play for NSH any more and will be upset, but understanding, if they match the offer.

I don't think they have the financial ability to match... it's just a horrible, horrible business decision to match this contract thanks to the uber front-loaded nature. It could easily bankrupt the team if there's a substantial strike/lockout this offseason.
Nice job homer did..

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Trade will end up being

Weber

FOR

Read
Meszaros
Gustafsson
two 1st rounders

Predators trade 2 of the 1st rounders back to Philly for Read, Meszaros and Gustafsson.

Good deal for Nashville. They will get other good assets for the other picks.

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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches
If they have the $$$ to match, they will. They're not going to swallow a gigantic payout then move him when the contract is a bargain. No need to add.

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Trade will end up being

Weber

FOR

Read
Meszaros
Gustafsson
two 1st rounders

Predators trade 2 of the 1st rounders back to Philly for Read, Meszaros and Gustafsson.

Good deal for Nashville. They will get other good assets for the other picks.

Promise? No take backs...

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question for phi fans then.....if Nas was going to match unless they received an adequate trade
from Phi.....

would you walk away or bump up a trade to get Weber



keep in mind if Poilie figures he can get more in a years time for a signed Weber he matches
I ABSOLUTELY make the trade. At the end of the day, the objective was to get a long-term locked up Weber, and if we couldn't we'd at least substantially decrease the likelihood that he ever ends up with a rival.

Nashville and Philly already had trade discussions, Holmgren should remain willing to offer the maximum that he was willing to offer before the offer sheet. I hope he can come down less than that, and perhaps he will, but there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't do now what you were willing to do before particularly now that you've got him locked up for life.

I think Nashville can still get a very good deal even without Schenn or Couturier. My preference is not to trade either, but I would be willing to trade one if they were the only forward dealt.

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Trade will end up being

Weber

FOR

Read
Meszaros
Gustafsson
two 1st rounders

Predators trade 2 of the 1st rounders back to Philly for Read, Meszaros and Gustafsson.

Good deal for Nashville. They will get other good assets for the other picks.
That's basically what everyone has suggested.. usually with Voracek instead of read, but still similar

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Players like Meszaros, Read and Voracek are just about replaceable, late first round picks can be picked up via NCAA pick-ups. Weber is absolutely unreplaceable without substantial outlay.

Meszaros, Simmonds and two first-rounders for Weber. Don't want to give up Read and his cap hit isn't much help for Nashville anyway.

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Trade will end up being

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FOR

Read
Meszaros
Gustafsson
two 1st rounders

Predators trade 2 of the 1st rounders back to Philly for Read, Meszaros and Gustafsson.

Good deal for Nashville. They will get other good assets for the other picks.
Nah, substitute read for the rights to Voracek. Read is extremely inexpensive. The predators need to get to the cap floor. Flyers need to stay awsy from the ceiling. Meaning they'd keep read and give away Voracek most likely.

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Friend told me last night that word is Weber doesn't want to play for NSH any more and will be upset, but understanding, if they match the offer.

I don't think they have the financial ability to match... it's just a horrible, horrible business decision to match this contract thanks to the uber front-loaded nature. It could easily bankrupt the team if there's a substantial strike/lockout this offseason.
If Weber is gone, Nashville will lose more than 27 million dollars next year. Ticket sales, merchandise, everything. They need Weber.

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Trade will end up being

Weber

FOR

Read
Meszaros
Gustafsson
two 1st rounders

Predators trade 2 of the 1st rounders back to Philly for Read, Meszaros and Gustafsson.

Good deal for Nashville. They will get other good assets for the other picks.
Can't see Nashville having interest in Gustafsson, they have plenty of young defenseman with potential they can give those minutes to.

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If Weber is gone, Nashville will lose more than 27 million dollars next year. Ticket sales, merchandise, everything. They need Weber.
They need a star, but i'm fairly convinced now that they can't afford Weber. He's not the only star in the game and they'll have a lot of picks and prospects to pick another one up.

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Nah, substitute read for the rights to Voracek. Read is extremely inexpensive. The predators need to get to the cap floor. Flyers need to stay awsy from the ceiling. Meaning they'd keep read and give away Voracek most likely.
Am I the only one who likes Voracek, especially with JVR now gone? (Not saying I wouldn't trade him but the way he is spoken about by some is like a throw in)

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