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Canucks 2012 Prospect Rankings - #7

View Poll Results: Who is the Canucks #7 Prospect?
Ben Hutton 0 0%
Wesley Myron 1 0.50%
Ludwig Blomstrand 0 0%
Matthew Beattie 0 0%
Joe Cannata 23 11.39%
Peter Andersson 0 0%
Anton Rodin 13 6.44%
Alexandre Mallet 5 2.48%
Kevin Connauton 77 38.12%
Yann Sauve 4 1.98%
Joseph Labate 2 0.99%
Bill Sweatt 1 0.50%
Patrick McNally 9 4.46%
Alex Friesen 1 0.50%
Frankie Corrado 65 32.18%
Adam Polasek 0 0%
Jeremy Price 0 0%
Henrik Tommernes 0 0%
Alex Grenier 0 0%
Darren Archibald 1 0.50%
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07-22-2012, 12:24 AM
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I'm liking our potential bottom 6 C's of the future. Gaunce and Friesen. Going to be awesome if everything goes accordingly.
Would be nice to have some Top 6 C upside somewhere in our system tho. I think Shredder will only excel at the wing. And while we still got Hank/Kes locked up for a couple of years, you never know when things might go awry. I hope GMMG addresses that in 2013.

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07-22-2012, 12:27 AM
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Would be nice to have some Top 6 C upside somewhere in our system tho. I think Shredder will only excel at the wing. And while we still got Hank/Kes locked up for a couple of years, you never know when things might go awry. I hope GMMG addresses that in 2013.
Well, he is hot for Bjugstad for a reason.

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who is frank corrado compare to?

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Went with Connauton but not much separates the next few guys. Feel it's a bit early for Cannata. Goalie development paths are too inconsistent for me to vote for him over a few guys still.

Voted for Connauton based mostly on the coaches he's had so far. By all accounts he's improved each year, even with the criticisms that still remain in his game. Familiarity means more time for scrutiny, so it's reasonable to expect there to be more faults in KConn's game. I see his upside as a Sheldon Souray at this point, which isn't bad at all.

Corrado is the new girl on the block, and McNally is they mysterious and exotic so they get a bit more positive glow than they might otherwise. Pretty hard to separate these three defensive prospects in terms of upside and likelihood so I add the third dimension of how soon they can contribute...that and coaching tips KConn for me.

Friesen is a bit small for the role being assigned to him imo. Not saying he can't do it, but it's just as likely he's the forward version of Baumgartner. Good type of prospect to have in the system, whether he makes it to the bigs or not. But I see him beneath Rodin and probably Sauve still.

Next three for me, in no particular order McNally, Corrado, LaBate.

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07-22-2012, 12:58 AM
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have i missed some revelations about labate recently?

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07-22-2012, 01:20 AM
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who is frank corrado compare to?
Bobby......

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who is frank corrado compare to?
Well as we mentioned, Tanev is a good comparable, but just with a better shot and a bit better offensive awareness.

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have i missed some revelations about labate recently?
In which context? Not getting enough or too much praise?

Considering his year as a true freshman, i'd call it a success thus far. Sure, he isn't in the Rau or Gaudreau category, but statistically, he is certainly following the path of many highly touted and those have risen through the NCAA to become premier NCAA prospects.

Labate
2011-2012 37 5 15 20
2012-2013 ?

Examples in the WCHA with comparable size:

Drew Shore
2009-2010 41 5 14 19
2010-2011 40 23 23 46

Nick Shore
2010-2011 33 7 11 18
2011-2012 43 13 28 41

Brock Nelson
2010-2011 42 8 13 21
2011-2012 42 28 19 47

Ben Hanowski
2009-2010 43 9 10 19
2010-2011 37 13 7 20
2011-2012 39 23 20 43

Nick Bjugstad
2010-2011 29 8 12 20
2011-2012 40 25 17 42

Still a guy trending upwards. I only saw less than a handful of games. You can definitely see he is big on the ice, a quick skater and is pretty skilled for a big man. There were flashes of aggressiveness, but was inconsistent in that regard. I've heard the same from Kirk Luedeke that he is too passive. I'd also say he needs a bit of work in his defensive game, but i understand its a difficult transition from HS hockey to the WCHA in that regard. Made some breakout passes that were not of the safe or high percentage play variety and he could be a bit stronger on his skates. Kyle Rau (8 inches shorter) knocked him off his feet and to the dressing room. Nothing a few more years of conditioning and Coach Eaves won't help.

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Went with Connauton but not much separates the next few guys. Feel it's a bit early for Cannata. Goalie development paths are too inconsistent for me to vote for him over a few guys still.

Voted for Connauton based mostly on the coaches he's had so far. By all accounts he's improved each year, even with the criticisms that still remain in his game. Familiarity means more time for scrutiny, so it's reasonable to expect there to be more faults in KConn's game. I see his upside as a Sheldon Souray at this point, which isn't bad at all.

Corrado is the new girl on the block, and McNally is they mysterious and exotic so they get a bit more positive glow than they might otherwise. Pretty hard to separate these three defensive prospects in terms of upside and likelihood so I add the third dimension of how soon they can contribute...that and coaching tips KConn for me.

Friesen is a bit small for the role being assigned to him imo. Not saying he can't do it, but it's just as likely he's the forward version of Baumgartner. Good type of prospect to have in the system, whether he makes it to the bigs or not. But I see him beneath Rodin and probably Sauve still.

Next three for me, in no particular order McNally, Corrado, LaBate.
Sheldon Souray comparison is one of the worst one i've read. Honestly the only similarity between them is both have a big shot (but one is LHS and the other is RHS). Guess you can also say they both throw their body but that holds true for most dmans.

KConn is actually a GOOD skater while Souray is a pylon.
Kconn is also a much better passer

Souray is way better positionally than KCon (who's positional play is the main reason he isn't in the NHL yet)
Souray fights (tho not really a great fighter) while KConn isn't a fighter
Souray is much tougher/more physical in front of the net
Souray also has the edge on the shot tho not by much. RHS generally has more value too.

There's also a decent size difference between the 2... like 40 pounds.

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07-22-2012, 03:51 AM
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Sheldon Souray comparison is one of the worst one i've read. Honestly the only similarity between them is both have a big shot (but one is LHS and the other is RHS). Guess you can also say they both throw their body but that holds true for most dmans.

KConn is actually a GOOD skater while Souray is a pylon.
Kconn is also a much better passer

Souray is way better positionally than KCon (who's positional play is the main reason he isn't in the NHL yet)
Souray fights (tho not really a great fighter) while KConn isn't a fighter
Souray is much tougher/more physical in front of the net
Souray also has the edge on the shot tho not by much. RHS generally has more value too.

There's also a decent size difference between the 2... like 40 pounds.
*shrugs* okay.

I was looking at it as both have big shots and look to be powerplay specialists without being true PP QBs. Both can play physical and drop the gloves, but neither are your typical crease clearer. Both are (or project to be) offensive guys with some question marks in their own zone. Souray is bigger, KConn the better skater...differences cancel each other out. You say KConn is a much better passer, others say KConn's first pass is questionable. As for "better positionally" when talking potential upside, it assumes at least some development in a player's weak points.

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I almost feel like I should give my vote in the Connauton-Corrado battle, but it's Cannata for me.

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I'm going with overall ceiling here rather than NHL readiness and voting for McNally.Sure he's a major wildcard and does'nt get much exposure but from what I've gathered he's our only D prospect with both #1 PP and top pairing potential if he's developed properly and can get his defensive game in order.

I also really like Corrado.He's being compared to Hamhuis by some and if he continues his progression,he should be a top 4 defender that could step up into the top pairing with the right partner.However,his offensive game might keep him off the PP altogether or have him just getting limited minutes with the second unit PP so I'm going with McNally because of that.

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any idea when HF Boards ranks the 2012 players ...

any guesses on Mallet and Gaunce on where they rank?

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Connauton, for sure. Has made huge strides in the last year.

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Would be nice to have some Top 6 C upside somewhere in our system tho. I think Shredder will only excel at the wing. And while we still got Hank/Kes locked up for a couple of years, you never know when things might go awry. I hope GMMG addresses that in 2013.
I don't see that at all. In fact, quite the opposite. The only way i see him really having a lot of success in NHL is if he's in a situation where he can play center ice. When they've tried to move him to the wing, it just hasn't worked. His size is too much of a limitation there, and more importantly, that is compounded by his style of play which fits much better in the middle of the ice.

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Went with kconn because he's show he can play pro, but it's a close heat with corrado

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Sheldon Souray comparison is one of the worst one i've read. Honestly the only similarity between them is both have a big shot (but one is LHS and the other is RHS). Guess you can also say they both throw their body but that holds true for most dmans.

KConn is actually a GOOD skater while Souray is a pylon.
Kconn is also a much better passer

Souray is way better positionally than KCon (who's positional play is the main reason he isn't in the NHL yet)
Souray fights (tho not really a great fighter) while KConn isn't a fighter
Souray is much tougher/more physical in front of the net
Souray also has the edge on the shot tho not by much. RHS generally has more value too.

There's also a decent size difference between the 2... like 40 pounds.
Pretty sure connauton had quite a few scraps in the dub didn't he?

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Pretty sure this will need a second deciding poll just between Connauton and Corrado like we've done in the past.

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Sheldon Souray comparison is one of the worst one i've read. Honestly the only similarity between them is both have a big shot (but one is LHS and the other is RHS). Guess you can also say they both throw their body but that holds true for most dmans.

KConn is actually a GOOD skater while Souray is a pylon.
Kconn is also a much better passer

Souray is way better positionally than KCon (who's positional play is the main reason he isn't in the NHL yet)
Souray fights (tho not really a great fighter) while KConn isn't a fighter
Souray is much tougher/more physical in front of the net
Souray also has the edge on the shot tho not by much. RHS generally has more value too.

There's also a decent size difference between the 2... like 40 pounds.
Souray is a LHS

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McNally sounds a better bet than Corrado. Rodin needs some respect here....

Rodin, McNally, Corrado

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Pretty sure connauton had quite a few scraps in the dub didn't he?
Not only that, he beat the **** out of one of Detroits tiny forwards last season.

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This was basically a 3-way toss-up for me between the 3 Cs. But for me, I'm gonna say Cannata, just because I feel like his upside is higher than the defenders. I get the feeling that the defenders' upside is middle pairing dmen, and both have a good shot of playing in the bottom 2 pairings. But Cannata seems to have legit starter capabilities (granted, it's a long way down the road for him, with many guys in front of him).

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- only skates well in a straight line, bad lateral movement
- inconsistent physically, when he does hit often gets out of position to do it



Corrado is 6'2"... which makes him taller than Hamhuis, Bieksa, and Ballard.
I'm probably wrong here, but I thought Corrado was 6'0. I believe Corrado was listed at 6'2 on the junior site even before the draft. And I'm also under the impression that those junior sites freguently add an inch or two to players' heights. In addition, from the highlights, Corrado doesn't look an inch over 6'0, to me.

That's one thing I like about Connauton, he is pretty big at 6'1-6'2 and 200lb.

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I'm probably wrong here, but I thought Corrado was 6'0. I believe Corrado was listed at 6'2 on the junior site even before the draft. And I'm also under the impression that those junior sites freguently add an inch or two to players' heights. In addition, from the highlights, Corrado doesn't look an inch over 6'0, to me.

That's one thing I like about Connauton, he is pretty big at 6'1-6'2 and 200lb.
I think you're probably right, at least that Corrado isn't all of 6'2"

Looking at the odd interview with him, he's clearly not especially tall compared to most other players. In fact, he seems a bit on the smaller side. My posting history is littered with debunkings of the universal urge of team rosters to be clever or shoddy about the "official" heights and weights of the players, and this is yet another case of that. However, it's possible he could still grow taller.

My guess is 6 feet even. To me, as a big fan of his, he's tall enough, and only has to put on more muscle weight. With his head for the game, wheels, and booming shot, plus his outgoing personality in interviews, I think Frankie will be a fan favourite for more than a decade to come.

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I think you're probably right, at least that Corrado isn't all of 6'2"

Looking at the odd interview with him, he's clearly not especially tall compared to most other players. In fact, he seems a bit on the smaller side. My posting history is littered with debunkings of the universal urge of team rosters to be clever or shoddy about the "official" heights and weights of the players, and this is yet another case of that. However, it's possible he could still grow taller.

My guess is 6 feet even. To me, as a big fan of his, he's tall enough, and only has to put on more muscle weight. With his head for the game, wheels, and booming shot, plus his outgoing personality in interviews, I think Frankie will be a fan favourite for more than a decade to come.
He grew since being drafted (mentioned it himself in one of the interviews), I would be surprised if he's shorted than 6'1" based on when I saw him with the Wolves. Then again, who knows... I'm just comparing him to other players on the Wolves who are also likely listed inaccurately.

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For what its worth, Corrado was listed as 6'1" on the prospects camp roster. And from the games i watched, he didn't look noticable shorter than Parent who is 6'2" but he did look shorter than Polasek who is 6'3", both were players he was partnered with. But he was noticable slighter than both.

Still believe he should be ahead of Connauton. At the same age, Corrado has shown well in NHL preseason and adjusted well in his brief stint with the Wolves (I believe he could secure a top 4 spot with the Chicago Wolves next season if he were eligible to play there). Connauton, although mightly improved this season, has yet to show well in camp and took a full year to adjust in the AHL.

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