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07-21-2012, 10:07 PM
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Sarcasm detector... You dont have one
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ETA: Zdeno Chara is European.
Chara is not a heartless European.

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define legit sources?
That's actually a very good point. Though, it has to start with NOT anonymous. Then, yo might have to be VERY well known for your informations. But the number of people reporting it doesn't mean a thing. Not sure why some people don't realize that 10 people are reporting something that it might actually be untrue. It only take 1 person to see the rest of the bunch "follow". We have TONS of examples like that every single day with the "insiders".


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Apparently, for some people, being European is merely a stare of mind where you are lazy, coast on the ice and never care about your team.

If you ain't that, you aren't a "real" European.

I guess for these people, Russians are Europe's Europeans.

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07-22-2012, 07:53 AM
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Apparently, for some people, being European is merely a stare of mind where you are lazy, coast on the ice and never care about your team.

If you ain't that, you aren't a "real" European.

I guess for these people, Russians are Europe's Europeans.
Ignorant people.

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07-22-2012, 03:45 PM
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Apologies if this has been covered, but I haven't seen it brought up. If Nashville trades Weber to a team other than Philly, does the offer sheet still apply? As in, does the 3rd team have the right to match Philly's offer, regardless of whether Weber wants to play there?

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Apologies if this has been covered, but I haven't seen it brought up. If Nashville trades Weber to a team other than Philly, does the offer sheet still apply? As in, does the 3rd team have the right to match Philly's offer, regardless of whether Weber wants to play there?
Nashville can't trade Weber for a year except to the Flyers if they choose to match.

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07-22-2012, 03:55 PM
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Nashville can't trade Weber for a year except to the Flyers if they choose to match.
That includes the deliberation period before making the decision?

edit: nvm, it does


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That includes the deliberation period before making the decision?
Why would the Flyers even trade for him this week when they will get him for free? Nashville can't trade him.

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07-22-2012, 04:16 PM
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Why would the Flyers even trade for him this week when they will get him for free? Nashville can't trade him.
I just found out they can't anyway, so it's a moot point. But hypothetically, I was wondering if Nashville could shop him to a third team for a bigger return than Philly's picks, and then that team would be able to match the Flyers' offer and lock up Weber. But no, they can't.

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07-22-2012, 05:23 PM
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Why would the Flyers even trade for him this week when they will get him for free? Nashville can't trade him.
They can still negotiate with the Flyers. Preds can tell them they will match unless they take back some of the picks for players. So, in essence, it is a trade of sorts.

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07-22-2012, 07:05 PM
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They can still negotiate with the Flyers. Preds can tell them they will match unless they take back some of the picks for players. So, in essence, it is a trade of sorts.
Exactly. It's a forced trade or match the offer. If Philly is willing to offer that much, what are they willing to give?

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07-22-2012, 08:52 PM
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Would you do this to sign Semin?

I think this would be a very screwd move assuming a couple of things...I'd ask for a rational rebuttal other than "it sucks"... Please.

1. Trade Gomez and one of our 2013 three second round picks to a cap floor team for a third round pick or whatever we can get.

2. Assuming that the CBA will allow ONE buyout contract, Bergevin can buyout either Bourque or Kaberle. Personally I would buy out Bourque due to the length of the contract.

3. With the $11 million plus cap space that is freed up, you can sign Semin to a one or two year "show me" contract for approx $6 million. Risky yes, but Semin is the skilled left winger we need on the second line.

Losing a second round pick would hurt, but it would give us a huge cap space if we can get rid of two out of the three lousy contracts Gainey and Gauthier saddled us with. We still have a first and two seconds to start the season.

I wonder if the Isles or Jackets would bite?

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07-22-2012, 08:55 PM
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I would do this.

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07-22-2012, 09:05 PM
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why the hell would you give up an asset on gomez when you can loan him?

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07-22-2012, 09:09 PM
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Trading Kaberle and signing Semin would suffice for me.

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07-22-2012, 09:14 PM
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why the hell would you give up an asset on gomez when you can loan him?
I believe a few things have to happen for Gomez to be "loaned" to a team.

1. He would have to agree to it.
2. You would have to find a team in another league who would want him.
3. I'm not sure how that works on the cap space, are we not responsible for difference in his salary, so if a team give him $1 million we still owe him the balance?

Can someone clarify with an example?

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07-22-2012, 09:19 PM
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I think this would be a very screwd move assuming a couple of things...I'd ask for a rational rebuttal other than "it sucks"... Please.

1. Trade Gomez and one of our 2013 three second round picks to a cap floor team for a third round pick or whatever we can get.

2. Assuming that the CBA will allow ONE buyout contract, Bergevin can buyout either Bourque or Kaberle. Personally I would buy out Bourque due to the length of the contract.

3. With the $11 million plus cap space that is freed up, you can sign Semin to a one or two year "show me" contract for approx $6 million. Risky yes, but Semin is the skilled left winger we need on the second line.

Losing a second round pick would hurt, but it would give us a huge cap space if we can get rid of two out of the three lousy contracts Gainey and Gauthier saddled us with. We still have a first and two seconds to start the season.

I wonder if the Isles or Jackets would bite?
Nobody would want gomez especially not a floor team, they will want to spend more money but not just throw it away.

There's no reason to buy out Bourque since we'll have to carry a % of his salary if we do so.

Semin is looking for much more than 6m$ a year, cause otherwise he'd already have a contract somewhere in the NHL.

Signing semin comes down to paying him 8m$-9m$ a year so no we don't need him.

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07-22-2012, 09:21 PM
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I believe a few things have to happen for Gomez to be "loaned" to a team.

1. He would have to agree to it.
2. You would have to find a team in another league who would want him.
3. I'm not sure how that works on the cap space, are we not responsible for difference in his salary, so if a team give him $1 million we still owe him the balance?

Can someone clarify with an example?
Cristobal Huet would be an example. He signed with Chicago and when they ran into cap space problem he agreed to play in the Swiss league.

I'm sure we'd be on the hook for the majority of the salary, the other team would negotiate their share with us.

I'm not so sure he'd have to agree to anything. We could assign him to the AHL and if he'd prefer to be somewhere else it would be up to him to find a suitable place.

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I'd rather buy out Bourque than Gomez, also.

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07-22-2012, 09:35 PM
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I'd loan Gomez and amnesty Kaberle. I think Bourque is a keeper.

But wouldn't sign Semin.

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Why not just send Gomez to Hamilton?

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Gomez, Kaberile and Bourque to Hamilton. Two years and 15 millions to Semin. I know, it sucks, but that's what you got to do.

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Kaberle and Bourque to Hamilton is some of the worst drivel to come out of HFBoards in a while.

You can argue Gomez's salary doesn't make him worthy of an NHL roster spot, but Jesus Christ, get a grip.

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I would just send Gomez in the minor and sign Semin.

Bourque, I'm ready to give him another chance... a 20-30 games chance. The team was a mess when he came here so it's difficult to judge. I just want to see if he's happy to play here or not. I did not see that AT ALL last season but then again, there was nothing enjoyable at that moment. I also think if MB really do want to get rid of him, a team will probably take a chance with him. He doesn't cost THAT much to be unmoveable.

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Bergevin is not going to stick Gomez in the minors. He wants to instill a certain level of class to the organization. The options are loan, trade or buyout. A radical option is seeing if he shows any desire to play.

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