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Canucks 2012 Prospect Rankings - #7

View Poll Results: Who is the Canucks #7 Prospect?
Ben Hutton 0 0%
Wesley Myron 1 0.50%
Ludwig Blomstrand 0 0%
Matthew Beattie 0 0%
Joe Cannata 23 11.39%
Peter Andersson 0 0%
Anton Rodin 13 6.44%
Alexandre Mallet 5 2.48%
Kevin Connauton 77 38.12%
Yann Sauve 4 1.98%
Joseph Labate 2 0.99%
Bill Sweatt 1 0.50%
Patrick McNally 9 4.46%
Alex Friesen 1 0.50%
Frankie Corrado 65 32.18%
Adam Polasek 0 0%
Jeremy Price 0 0%
Henrik Tommernes 0 0%
Alex Grenier 0 0%
Darren Archibald 1 0.50%
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For what its worth, Corrado was listed as 6'1" on the prospects camp roster. And from the games i watched, he didn't look noticable shorter than Parent who is 6'2" but he did look shorter than Polasek who is 6'3", both were players he was partnered with. But he was noticable slighter than both.

Still believe he should be ahead of Connauton. At the same age, Corrado has shown well in NHL preseason and adjusted well in his brief stint with the Wolves (I believe he could secure a top 4 spot with the Chicago Wolves next season if he were eligible to play there). Connauton, although mightly improved this season, has yet to show well in camp and took a full year to adjust in the AHL.
Speaking of Polasek, a big body who can skate, I wonder where he would rank among our D prospects? It's a big year ahead for him, his second pro season, in which he needs to play regular shifts to show his worth. He has the build to be useful on the Canucks if his head is up to it. Kind of a dark horse, off the radar a bit it seems.

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Speaking of Polasek, a big body who can skate, I wonder where he would rank among our D prospects? It's a big year ahead for him, his second pro season, in which he needs to play regular shifts to show his worth. He has the build to be useful on the Canucks if his head is up to it. Kind of a dark horse, off the radar a bit it seems.

Best KO by a Canuck since Jovo on Deadmarsh.

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Best KO by a Canuck since Jovo on Deadmarsh.
Polasek's agent should courier that clip to AV when training camp opens

Nice rabbit punch after Teubert is down . . . shows killer instinct possibly lacking
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Speaking of Polasek, a big body who can skate, I wonder where he would rank among our D prospects? It's a big year ahead for him, his second pro season, in which he needs to play regular shifts to show his worth. He has the build to be useful on the Canucks if his head is up to it. Kind of a dark horse, off the radar a bit it seems.
We've thinned the herd at D a bit, so he should get lots of time this season. I'm expecting a big step forward, he was good enough to be a semi-regular AHLer when he still had overage eligibility in junior and he seems like a confident kid that will handle the bigger role well.

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Speaking of Polasek, a big body who can skate, I wonder where he would rank among our D prospects? It's a big year ahead for him, his second pro season, in which he needs to play regular shifts to show his worth. He has the build to be useful on the Canucks if his head is up to it. Kind of a dark horse, off the radar a bit it seems.
Hmmm... its fair to say I'm a bit higher on him than most. I thought he had a good season for his first year, showed improvement as the season progressed. At the beginning of the season, made some questionable decisions and had problems getting the puck out of the zone when he was paired with Erixon mainly. I'd imagine their corsi rating was atrocious given the shooting gallery they had at times. But still he became much better. I really like his one on one battles on the boards, he uses his body well to tie up his man and knock him off the puck there. He has a knack for winning those battles and coming away with the puck. Also, i'd say he is easily the most physical D man we have in the pipeline, moreso than Sauve. He likes open ice hits and even when he rubs guys out on the puck, it looks like he takes them out hard. Also, willing to sacrifice his body, blocks shots as well. Has an under-rated offensive game, can skate the puck up, pinches got better as the season wore on, and has a very heavy shot but doesn't use it enough. Might be able to work onto the 2nd PP this year with the Wolves, but still i think he projects as a defensive Dman at the next level. Thought he should have been a mainstay for the playoffs, esp over Parent.

While the D might be thinner, there is still a lot of competition on that left side. He will be behind Connauton and Sauve. He should be on the 3rd pairing to start. IIRC, Andersson plays left side as well?

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Andersson does shoot left, according to the usual suspects, er, internet sources.

Hard to see him playing ahead of a big, physical guy like Polasek who is no longer an AHL rookie.

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Andersson does shoot left, according to the usual suspects, er, internet sources.

Hard to see him playing ahead of a big, physical guy like Polasek who is no longer an AHL rookie.
Well they aren't going to sit Andersson the entire season, he'll get some games to keep him fresh and in situations of back to backs and 3 in 3s. Whose spot he'll end up taking is unknown. Maybe he can adapt to the right side, he'll get a much better chance there to be a regular.

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It makes me incredibly sad that the player I voted for is tied with Darren Archibald and losing to Yann Sauve.

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It makes me incredibly sad that the player I voted for is tied with Darren Archibald and losing to Yann Sauve.
Labate is just as intriguing as Corrado, imo.

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Hmmm... its fair to say I'm a bit higher on him than most. I thought he had a good season for his first year, showed improvement as the season progressed. At the beginning of the season, made some questionable decisions and had problems getting the puck out of the zone when he was paired with Erixon mainly. I'd imagine their corsi rating was atrocious given the shooting gallery they had at times. But still he became much better. I really like his one on one battles on the boards, he uses his body well to tie up his man and knock him off the puck there. He has a knack for winning those battles and coming away with the puck. Also, i'd say he is easily the most physical D man we have in the pipeline, moreso than Sauve. He likes open ice hits and even when he rubs guys out on the puck, it looks like he takes them out hard. Also, willing to sacrifice his body, blocks shots as well. Has an under-rated offensive game, can skate the puck up, pinches got better as the season wore on, and has a very heavy shot but doesn't use it enough. Might be able to work onto the 2nd PP this year with the Wolves, but still i think he projects as a defensive Dman at the next level. Thought he should have been a mainstay for the playoffs, esp over Parent.

While the D might be thinner, there is still a lot of competition on that left side. He will be behind Connauton and Sauve. He should be on the 3rd pairing to start. IIRC, Andersson plays left side as well?
Polasek does seem to regularly sneak by under the radar. I don't really see anything to say he's any better as a prospect than Sauve at this point, but i do like them both for what they are. Both guys have a chance to be very useful bottom-pairing NHL blueliners with some upside. If we can get either of them contributing on an ELC in the NHL ranks, that's the sort of quality depth that contending teams have and the sort of value they get out of young players. If they continue to develop, i see both guys as potential upgrades on the Alberts/Rome type role. Big, mobile, defensive guys who can still offer a bit going the other way.

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Connauton winning just shows that people here either don't value potential very much in a prospect or don't at the very least check out our prospect scouting reports.

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Connauton winning just shows that people here either don't value potential very much in a prospect or don't at the very least check out our prospect scouting reports.
Or that people like his tools, understand his limitations, but have seen him improve significantly over the past few years and feel he'll be a very useful piece in the future?

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Or that people like his tools, understand his limitations, but have seen him improve significantly over the past few years and feel he'll be a very useful piece in the future?
If by useful you mean barely making our bottom pairing? I guess?

To crack our NHL roster you need at least one of these:
1. Solid all round offense - including a good shot, good first pass at the very least
2. Solid defensive player that can get the puck out of the zone - can at least play against decent competition and play a bit of PK
3. Bring a game changing element to the team, including ability to intimidate, fight, throw big hits.

From what I've seen and heard, Connauton has a good shot, albeit not a hard one. Is more of a PP specialist as he is quite average at EV. He's spent 2 years in the AHL, and anyone with top 4 pairing talent/potential don't spend that much time in the minors. And if you do, you better show significant progress, which he hasn't.

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Connauton winning just shows that people here either don't value potential very much in a prospect or don't at the very least check out our prospect scouting reports.
The matter of fact is that we have hardly seen Corrado/Cannata play at the professional level - McNally hasn't even gotten there yet. It's not like they have dominated their respective league or anything either (maybe you can argue for Cannata though). Meanwhile, it's far easier to see what K-Conn's weaknesses are and how he'll project in the NHL - as far as most are concerned, he seems to be closing into the NHL with a better defensive game and many like his offensive/PP upside.

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The matter of fact is that we have hardly seen Corrado/Cannata play at the professional level - McNally hasn't even gotten there yet. It's not like they have dominated their respective league or anything either (maybe you can argue for Cannata though). Meanwhile, it's far easier to see what K-Conn's weaknesses are and how he'll project in the NHL - as far as most are concerned, he seems to be closing into the NHL with a better defensive game and many like his offensive/PP upside.
I don't. We have plenty of trigger men on our team already. What we need is a puck mover. Someone who knows how to handle the puck on the powerplay. Doesn't need an exceptional shot from the point, but needs to be able to read opposing PK well and shoot/pass/walk in accordingly.

I'll be happy to see Connauton develop into a bottom pairing guy. But even getting there will be a question mark for him.

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I don't. We have plenty of trigger men on our team already. What we need is a puck mover. Someone who knows how to handle the puck on the powerplay. Doesn't need an exceptional shot from the point, but needs to be able to read opposing PK well and shoot/pass/walk in accordingly.
Oh, I agree with you on that point; I believe McNally could turn out to be the guy we need in the future. But I - and most I'd wager - rank prospects based on their inherit worth instead of comparing their place within the organization. For instance, would Colborne be suddenly our #1 prospect because he's a big-bodied center with offensive upside?

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From what I've seen and heard, Connauton has a good shot, albeit not a hard one. Is more of a PP specialist as he is quite average at EV. He's spent 2 years in the AHL, and anyone with top 4 pairing talent/potential don't spend that much time in the minors. And if you do, you better show significant progress, which he hasn't.
he won the hardest shot comp. at the AHL all-star game @ 99.4 mph. he also was voted by other players to have the hardest shot in the WHL during his year with the giants which makes

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or don't at the very least check out our prospect scouting reports.
kinda funny, in retrospect

as for his progress, well, the giants would disagree with you, mactavish's coaching staff would probably disagree with you and i hope the canucks organization disagrees with you

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he won the hardest shot comp. at the AHL all-star game @ 99.4 mph. he also was voted by other players to have the hardest shot in the WHL during his year with the giants which makes

kinda funny, in retrospect

as for his progress, well, the giants would disagree with you, mactavish's coaching staff would probably disagree with you and i hope the canucks organization disagrees with you
Right, I remember now. I always thought his shot was between mid to high 90's. Which would make his shot above average in the NHL? What's notable about his shot is that it's able to find it's way through traffic and to the net, which makes it a lot more important than having a 105mph slapper that misses the net all the time.

Anyway, making progress is one thing, but making enough progress to crack the top 4 on a contender is another thing.

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Right, I remember now. I always thought his shot was between mid to high 90's. Which would make his shot above average in the NHL? What's notable about his shot is that it's able to find it's way through traffic and to the net, which makes it a lot more important than having a 105mph slapper that misses the net all the time.

Anyway, making progress is one thing, but making enough progress to crack the top 4 on a contender is another thing.
if he lacks the ability to crack the roster in two years, i'll start to worry. as it is, the favourable reports come en masse and concerns don't, so i'm pretty excited for him

all that said, i still think corrado's the better prospect. i think they probably both have a small chance of playing top line minutes at some point in their careers - the difference is that is that I see corrado being the hamhuis of a top pairing unit (a #2 dman that looks like a #1 with the right partner) and connauton being the bieksa (a #3 or #4 dman that looks like a #2 with the right partner).

and as far as I know, 100mph is the watermark for "a good shot" so yeah, it's probably above average in velocity in the NHL. he's young, he totally has the ability to add to it.

doesn't corrado have a 100mph+ slapper too?

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if he lacks the ability to crack the roster in two years, i'll start to worry. as it is, the favourable reports come en masse and concerns don't, so i'm pretty excited for him

all that said, i still think corrado's the better prospect. i think they probably both have a small chance of playing top line minutes at some point in their careers - the difference is that is that I see corrado being the hamhuis of a top pairing unit (a #2 dman that looks like a #1 with the right partner) and connauton being the bieksa (a #3 or #4 dman that looks like a #2 with the right partner).

and as far as I know, 100mph is the watermark for "a good shot" so yeah, it's probably above average in velocity in the NHL. he's young, he totally has the ability to add to it.

doesn't corrado have a 100mph+ slapper too?
Don't see Bieksa in Connauton at all. Bieksa is a very gritty player, and does almost all his scoring on EV. Best case scenario is that Connauton take his defensive game to another level and becomes a Jason Garrison type player.

And yes, Corrado has a 100mph shot and he's 2 years younger than Connauton.

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Don't see Bieksa in Connauton at all. Bieksa is a very gritty player, and does almost all his scoring on EV. Best case scenario is that Connauton take his defensive game to another level and becomes a Jason Garrison type player.

And yes, Corrado has a 100mph shot and he's 2 years younger than Connauton.
i don't see bieksa in connauton either ???

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i don't see bieksa in connauton either ???
My bad, thought you were making a comparison for a second there.

And no, that's not Connauton's ceiling. Not with what he has shown so far. At most a bottom pairing guy capable of moving up to 2nd pairing if necessary.

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Polasek does seem to regularly sneak by under the radar. I don't really see anything to say he's any better as a prospect than Sauve at this point, but i do like them both for what they are. Both guys have a chance to be very useful bottom-pairing NHL blueliners with some upside. If we can get either of them contributing on an ELC in the NHL ranks, that's the sort of quality depth that contending teams have and the sort of value they get out of young players. If they continue to develop, i see both guys as potential upgrades on the Alberts/Rome type role. Big, mobile, defensive guys who can still offer a bit going the other way.
Hmmm, not sure i'd choose Sauve over Polasek, but again, I like Polasek more than many here. Maybe its a case of "what have you done for me lately" but my last memories of Polasek was him playing his best games of his season where he was given a top 4 role since the Wolves had already secured their spot and he looked really impressive there. Mobile, physical, and absolutely solid defensively. If he can carry that into the coming season and become more consistent defensively, it'd be very promising. I see a top end potential of a Roman Polak, but conservatively, a bigger but poorer man's version.

But i agree, both have value to me, even as bottom pairing D or #7 D men, which is something not a lot of people seem to appreciate.

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Corrado, if they did the draft over again he'd be at worst an early 2nd rounder. With a good start to the season I could see him gain (albeit small) interest from Hockey Canada.

Cannata and then Connauton. Lots of depth in our prospect pool I'd say.

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