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How much do Flyers need to "sweeten" the deal for Nashville?

View Poll Results: What additional pieces should the Flyers offer to prevent the Preds from matching?
Meszaros and Gus/Bourdon 19 15.20%
Meszaros, Gus/Bourdon and Laughton/Cousins 10 8.00%
Meszaros, Gus/Bourdon and Voracek/Read/Simmonds 27 21.60%
Couturier/Schenn 8 6.40%
Coburn+/++ 2 1.60%
Nothing at all / call their bluff 59 47.20%
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07-23-2012, 07:02 AM
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How much do Flyers need to "sweeten" the deal for Nashville?

Obviously there is a multitude of possible combinations here in terms of picks, roster players and prospects.

I have simplified the poll into 5 basic packages to try to strike a balance between simplicity and comprehensiveness.

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07-23-2012, 07:09 AM
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I say nothing, but if something has to be done I see it, as I think Mez and player (Read/Gus) will go the other way....

There is no need to 'sweeten' anything... we are all a bit nuts here... wanting something to happen.

It's been a long 3 days already with the possibilities jumping around.. ugh

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Meszaros, Voracek, gustafsson/bourdon in exchange for 2 1sts

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Meszaros, Voracek, gustafsson/bourdon in exchange for 2 1sts
This, I'm not willing to gamble if we're this close, let's just get it done, we won't have another shot at this.

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I say nothing, but if something has to be done I see it, as I think Mez and player (Read/Gus) will go the other way....

There is no need to 'sweeten' anything... we are all a bit nuts here... wanting something to happen.

It's been a long 3 days already with the possibilities jumping around.. ugh
I view it as insurance against Nashville matching the offer out of panic / desperation.

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07-23-2012, 07:15 AM
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Meltzer proposed the 2013 1st, Meszaros, Voracek and Bourdon/Gustafsson, today. [link]

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Meltzer proposed the 2013 1st, Meszaros, Voracek and Bourdon/Gustafsson, today. [link]
Yeah, that's what inspired this poll.

I would rather keep Voracek and give up two extra 1sts and a prospect, if possible. Just get the 2014 pick back from Nashville and give up the rest.

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07-23-2012, 07:22 AM
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I think we just send them Mez + Gus/Bourdon for the 2014 first and maybe 1 other first, so that we have a first when we host the draft. I really dont think we can lose Voracek after already saying goodbye to Jagr and JVR

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I would go as high as Schenn and Schenn and one 1rd pick. Weber is special. If you said to me at the end of the season the Flyers could have Weber for JVR and B.Schenn, I would take it and run.

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I would go as high as Schenn and Schenn and one 1rd pick. Weber is special. If you said to me at the end of the season the Flyers could have Weber for JVR and B.Schenn, I would take it and run.
As a few posters will probably tell you, Weber is buddies with the Schenns and they were probably one of the reasons he came here

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I think that Meszaros or Luke Schenn will be going to Nashville simply because they need NHL defensemen. If it's Meszaros, then you'll also see a dman prospect and someone like Voracek (I hope not) or Read with us getting at least one of those firsts back. If it's Luke Schenn, then Brayden's going too and we'll get two of the firsts back.

Basically, the deal will depend on which of the dmen goes the other way. I like Mez, but I'd rather hold on to the Schenns unless we absolutely need to trade them. I actually have a feeling that the Schenns are the ones traded, though.

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Wow. I am shocked at how many of the posters are in favor of gambling so far.

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They can also offer mez + 1 prospect and receive in exchange just one 1st of the 4.

Then they can go all in for doan and keep voracek on the second line...i think with the roster we have his agent must use the fact that if he sign he will be the #1 RW but with either doan or ryan that will not be the case and woild be easier to sign for 4 mill and under

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If their intention is to match a package headlined by Voracek/Meszaros won't get it done.

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I think that Meszaros or Luke Schenn will be going to Nashville simply because they need NHL defensemen. If it's Meszaros, then you'll also see a dman prospect and someone like Voracek (I hope not) or Read with us getting at least one of those firsts back. If it's Luke Schenn, then Brayden's going too and we'll get two of the firsts back.

Basically, the deal will depend on which of the dmen goes the other way. I like Mez, but I'd rather hold on to the Schenns unless we absolutely need to trade them. I actually have a feeling that the Schenns are the ones traded, though.
Has been mentioned countless times - Weber is BFFs wiff da Schenns <3 . His offseason workout partner is L. Schenn and they pretty much live together then as well. No way he wants to come here if they aren't here.

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I most from a player perspective I'd like to see them give up is one roster player, one non roster player.

If I'm holmgren I evaluate their position as best as I can, and if he strongly feels he can get Weber without any trading of players, do it, as long as Voracek can still be signed.

If not, the only D I would be okay with seeing go is Mesz. I like him, but like Grossman more, the Schenns together, coburn etc. I could also see Gustavson or Bourdon go.

From an offensive perspective, Matt Read, Cousins or Laughton. I feel Cousins and Laughton will be similar players, prefer to trade Cousins then Laughton though.

They'll have to get creative at the draft without a 1st for 4 years, but they havent had their own 1st for a few years now, if a pick at all. (until laughton that is)

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Damaged, its easy to gamble with someone else's money! Playing hardball is cute but if the main objective is to get Weber, then its not the way to go.

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Wow. I am shocked at how many of the posters are in favor of gambling so far.
The amount of tears from that crew will be enormous if Nashville matches.

There's a contingent of people that have deceived themselves so much as to think it's a 100% lock that Nashville doesn't match. Absurd.

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This is too tough to call. Technically they don't need to do anything. Just wait and see. But if Nashville is trying to strong arm them into a trade, then it all comes down to who they want. I know everyone is saying the Flyers have all the leverage, but if Nashville is prepared to match, that isn't the case.

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If their intention is to match a package headlined by Voracek/Meszaros won't get it done.
Not that simple. This contract would surely hamstring them, so they have to consider that in the equation. I agree that right now, Weber + financial woes > 4 1sts and the fanbase hit. However, considering all of the other things in the equation, what you need to substitute the 4 1sts for is absolutely not considerably more than Voracek and Mez + next 2 1sts. Maybe a Bourdon, Cousins, or something else on top.

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I am okay with giving up 4 firsts for Weber, but since we do have a lot of NHL-ish players on the D fighting for the last spot I wouldn't mind moving Mez, MAB/Gus, and another player/prospect for 2-3 picks back. It's to clear roster space and salary regardless if Jake resigns with us or if we try to make a push at another player like Semin (since any trades seems unlikely unless the same package would have gotten us a player like Ryan).

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If their intention is to match a package headlined by Voracek/Meszaros won't get it done.
If their intent is to match, no realistic package will get it done. That's the point.



I have no interest in "sweetening", but I'm certainly open to making a hockey trade that satisifies both, and most of the options listed in the poll are workable, imo.

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The way I'm looking at it is that if Nashville is talking about a possible "trade" scenario then they can't afford to sign Weber. If I was Homer we do nothing, and call their bluff.

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nothing..

either the Preds will find the cash to match or they wont..

giving up players to them isnt going to change that outcome..

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call their bluff, nash doesn't have the money for this contract...it's pretty obvious or they would have matched the day it was offered.

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