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Satan to Islanders, Visnovsky maybe not

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07-23-2012, 07:44 AM
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Satan to Islanders, Visnovsky maybe not

Slovak newspaper is quoting Lubo Visnovsky saying two interesting things (http://sport.sme.sk/c/6467071/visnov...o-satanom.html).

First one is a hint that Islanders are interested in Miro Satan: "Garth Snow called me that they are in negotiations with Miroslav Satan. I probably should not tell this to the media, but he told me that they are trying to persuade him to return to Long Island, where he played in the past."

I take this with a grain of salt, however the second part of the article is really interested. Apparently, Visnovsky believes that there is a problem with his trade to the Islanders. In his contract (originally signed with the Kings), there was a clause that in the 5th year of his contract he could only be traded to a team from a 10-team list that he provides. The Ducks did not get any list from him. He says that the Ducks believe that this clause is no longer valid, since he waived his no-trade clause when he was traded from Edmonton. He also says that the NHLPA does not agree with this and he (Visnovsky) with his agent are considering to apply for an arbitration to invalidate the trade.

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07-23-2012, 08:08 AM
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If it was a clause that had not come into effect yet, which is what it sounds like, it was the acquiring team's option to honor it when they traded for him. Either the Oilers or the Ducks could've declined to honor it when they traded for him.

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Hmm interesting, would we get our pick back?

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Is it just me or is this like the third time a "Visnovsky isn't showing up" rumor has come out since he's been traded to LI?

I'm done reading into these things until something is actually confirmed.

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If the clause went into effect in the fifth year, it is moot.

He was traded at the draft. The NHL calendar year begins July 1. He was technically traded during the fourth year of his deal.

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If the clause went into effect in the fifth year, it is moot.

He was traded at the draft. The NHL calendar year begins July 1. He was technically traded during the fourth year of his deal.

Exactly Kasper 11! The NHL would review contracts prior to accepting the trade at head office. If there was an issue with the contract, the NHL would notify both parties to inform of the issues, OR the player could have brought this up right after the trade to make this assertion rather than waiting weeks later.

Nabokov didn't want to play initially for the Islanders but ended up signing another deal. Visnovsky could be mad because he is only getting paid $3 million on his final year to play for a non-contending team at 35 years old. Had he still been paid the $5.6 million cap hit, this would not be an issue.

Visnovsky should just play his arse off for the Islanders and get a retirement contract with a contending team next year. Always look to the future not the present.

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There's no way Satan is coming back to Long Island.

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Exactly Kasper 11! The NHL would review contracts prior to accepting the trade at head office. If there was an issue with the contract, the NHL would notify both parties to inform of the issues, OR the player could have brought this up right after the trade to make this assertion rather than waiting weeks later.

Nabokov didn't want to play initially for the Islanders but ended up signing another deal. Visnovsky could be mad because he is only getting paid $3 million on his final year to play for a non-contending team at 35 years old. Had he still been paid the $5.6 million cap hit, this would not be an issue.

Visnovsky should just play his arse off for the Islanders and get a retirement contract with a contending team next year. Always look to the future not the present.
Well, ok but in the first year there was a full no-trade clause. Visnovsky is quoted by the article that the league has no problem with the trade, but the NHLPA has and thats why he is considering an arbitration.

With regards to your second point, Visnovsky said several times that this will be his last season in the NHL, so he doesn't have the motivation to work his arse off for a retirement contract. He also said several times that hockey is not his priority anymore and his last season looked like that. In my opinion the Islanders might be better of without him.

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Based on the Boards I am surprised that Satan isn't coming to Philadelphia.

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There's no way Satan is coming back to Long Island.
Well, actually he still lives on Long Island. But I agree that he is not coming back to play for the Islanders. He didnt play in the NHL for 2 seasons and is not getting any better, although he had a really good World Championship tournament with in May.

Maybe it was just something that Snow told Visnovsky to make him feel better about being traded there.

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If the clause went into effect in the fifth year, it is moot.

He was traded at the draft. The NHL calendar year begins July 1. He was technically traded during the fourth year of his deal.
Exactly

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Well, ok but in the first year there was a full no-trade clause. Visnovsky is quoted by the article that the league has no problem with the trade, but the NHLPA has and thats why he is considering an arbitration.

With regards to your second point, Visnovsky said several times that this will be his last season in the NHL, so he doesn't have the motivation to work his arse off for a retirement contract. He also said several times that hockey is not his priority anymore and his last season looked like that. In my opinion the Islanders might be better of without him.
That is unfortunate to read that a player who is getting paid millions to play in the best hockey league in the world doesn't even have the motivation to play his best. You are right, the Islanders should walk away from the deal and move on. However, the Islanders love those higher cap hit deals with lower salaries so they may push to keep the trade. What a wacky situation.

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Slovak newspaper is quoting Lubo Visnovsky saying two interesting things (http://sport.sme.sk/c/6467071/visnov...o-satanom.html).

First one is a hint that Islanders are interested in Miro Satan: "Garth Snow called me that they are in negotiations with Miroslav Satan. I probably should not tell this to the media, but he told me that they are trying to persuade him to return to Long Island, where he played in the past."

I take this with a grain of salt, however the second part of the article is really interested. Apparently, Visnovsky believes that there is a problem with his trade to the Islanders. In his contract (originally signed with the Kings), there was a clause that in the 5th year of his contract he could only be traded to a team from a 10-team list that he provides. The Ducks did not get any list from him. He says that the Ducks believe that this clause is no longer valid, since he waived his no-trade clause when he was traded from Edmonton. He also says that the NHLPA does not agree with this and he (Visnovsky) with his agent are considering to apply for an arbitration to invalidate the trade.
Wasn't Lubo dealt before his new contract kicked in, thus nullifying any NTC/NMC that was in the original deal?

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Who cares about Lubo, it's the potential return of Miro the Hero!


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Slovak newspaper is quoting Lubo Visnovsky saying two interesting things (http://sport.sme.sk/c/6467071/visnov...o-satanom.html).

First one is a hint that Islanders are interested in Miro Satan: "Garth Snow called me that they are in negotiations with Miroslav Satan. I probably should not tell this to the media, but he told me that they are trying to persuade him to return to Long Island, where he played in the past."

I take this with a grain of salt, however the second part of the article is really interested. Apparently, Visnovsky believes that there is a problem with his trade to the Islanders. In his contract (originally signed with the Kings), there was a clause that in the 5th year of his contract he could only be traded to a team from a 10-team list that he provides. The Ducks did not get any list from him. He says that the Ducks believe that this clause is no longer valid, since he waived his no-trade clause when he was traded from Edmonton. He also says that the NHLPA does not agree with this and he (Visnovsky) with his agent are considering to apply for an arbitration to invalidate the trade.
the clause was null and void twice--with the trade to Oilers and then to the ducks. Once a trade occurs the no trade clause or no movement clauses in the deal are NFG

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Well, it's legit...

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Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance through the NHLPA to void his trade to #Isles, claiming his no-trade clause is still valid.

Crap.

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the clause was null and void twice--with the trade to Oilers and then to the ducks. Once a trade occurs the no trade clause or no movement clauses in the deal are NFG
Not saying it isn't so, but it seams really unfair to the player, especially if the team moves him before the contract kicks in. Why should the player loose the no trade clause that was agreed?

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That is unfortunate to read that a player who is getting paid millions to play in the best hockey league in the world doesn't even have the motivation to play his best. You are right, the Islanders should walk away from the deal and move on. However, the Islanders love those higher cap hit deals with lower salaries so they may push to keep the trade. What a wacky situation.
I agree with the bolded part.

The Isles had no problem tolling a reluctant Nabokov's contact, forcing him to play a yr for them.
They won't just let Vis walk. Not when he is an upgrade to their defense and making so much less, then his large cap hit.

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Well, it's legit...

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance through the NHLPA to void his trade to #Isles, claiming his no-trade clause is still valid.

Crap.
he is being fed bad info. The we had this discussion the first time he got traded from the Kings to the oilers and then again to the Ducks. Trade agreements are with the original team he signed the contract with and when he gets traded it moots the option

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Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance through the NHLPA to void his trade to #Isles, claiming his no-trade clause is still valid.
Screw him.

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Lol, after a while this just gets comical. Wang drove this organization into the dirt and now nobody wants to play for us. As for Lubo, we should just try and flip him and pick up someone else with the cap space.

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he is being fed bad info. The we had this discussion the first time he got traded from the Kings to the oilers and then again to the Ducks. Trade agreements are with the original team he signed the contract with and when he gets traded it moots the option
It only moots it if you are dealt before the contract kicks in, which is the case here.

AKA Ryan Smyth, was dealt from COL to LA, but his NMC was still valid that he forced DL's hands to deal him to Edmonton.

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Lol, after a while this just gets comical. Wang drove this organization into the dirt and now nobody wants to play for us. As for Lubo, we should just try and flip him and pick up someone else with the cap space.
I don't think it's uncommon for a guy Lubo's age to not want to play for a lotto team.

The guy is 35, has been in the league since 00-01 and has only played 18 playoff games over 3 years. He probably wants a shot at the cup.

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I really don't think Lubo wants to play for us. Maybe we can package him with something to get another d-man

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So is it confirmed that his NTC kicked in during the 5th season, which started July 1st?

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