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07-23-2012, 08:40 AM
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I was happy when we dealt Carcillo away because I thought he wasn't even good enough to play in the AHL. I'm still not a fan of his game but he's definitely found his niche in the NHL.

I also though Ryan Whitney was the second coming of Brian Leetch. Whoops.

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07-23-2012, 09:05 AM
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I was right and wrong about Carcillo. I watched him in Wilkes-Barre his rookie season, and he scored about half his total season's points in his first 10-15 games. I think he was playing with Hussey and Armstrong? Maybe Christensen? I can't remember. Anyway, at first I thought he looked a dead ringer for Shayne Corson, but soon he started to show he was too much of an idiot for that. Well, not that Corson wasn't an idiot, but he was a productive idiot. Carcillo became more interested in running around taking shots at guys instead of developing as a player and seemed completely oblivious to his potential, like he was playing the game for all the wrong reasons. I think the Pens saw it that way too, which is why Todd Richards sat him down at one point to place a moratorium on misconducts for the upcoming season.

Which didn't come close to happening, even though he agreed at the time he needed to cut it with the circus act. He clashed with Richards, got demoted to Wheeling for disciplinary reasons, and was apparently super grumpy with the Pens for signing and playing Jarkko Ruutu over him.

In short, I was sure he'd make the NHL when I first saw him play, but I thought he'd be scoring 15-20 goals instead of shooting for 300+ PIMs and making an ass of himself every season. I do recall I got pretty disillusioned with him pretty quickly, though.

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07-23-2012, 09:13 AM
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Milan Kraft. I swear you can pinpoint our downfall to as soon as it became evident that he was a bust. Perhaps we should send him a thank you card?

Also, for a little perspective on what it's like to lose, or in this case have 4-straight first round picks turn into busts, check out draft years 96-99 and what became of the Pens in the early 2000's.

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07-23-2012, 09:15 AM
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I was happy when we dealt Carcillo away because I thought he wasn't even good enough to play in the AHL. I'm still not a fan of his game but he's definitely found his niche in the NHL.

I also though Ryan Whitney was the second coming of Brian Leetch. Whoops.
He did have a 59 points in only his 2nd season in the league. Plus in your defence, he also beat the hell out of Wade Redden.


I thought Ryan Stone would at least be a solid two-way guy who could hit, fight and get 20 goals and 50 points a year. Pretty sad that we only have MAF left from that 2003 draft which was just an amazing draft year.

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07-23-2012, 09:22 AM
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Noah Welch...Jonathan Filewich.

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07-23-2012, 09:36 AM
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Remember when we all laughed at the guy who said Noah Welch was a slow defenceman who thinks he's fast and he'd bust because he was a -5 or 6 in the AHL all star game?


That guy was right. We were all wrong. It's frightening that a guy who uses those arguments can be right.

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07-23-2012, 09:53 AM
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Dziedzic, Roche, Crozier and Kraft.

The first three I can forgive myself for because I was just a kid, really.

Kraft, the signs were never there except the skating. He was considered the best prospect not in the NHL... I saw several pubs pick him for the Calder... He tore up the A...

He is the biggest reason I'm so critical of skating now and put little stock in how players do in the A.

I thought Lupy was going to be a hell of a player, but I didn't care that he couldn't play defense.

I also thought Billy Tibbetts could of been a top 6 PF. He had all of the tools and could fly. He was pretty sick in the A. He had over a point a game down there and I always marveled at his unique combo of size and skill. He could of been a special player if he was born with a brain.

I don't know how he sleeps at night with the amount of talent he wasted.

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07-23-2012, 09:54 AM
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He might be the worst NHL hockey player I've ever seen.

For me it'd be Welch (thought he'd be a 2nd pairing guy, blech) and Kraft. I thought Kraft was kinda slow but otherwise a serviceable 2nd line center. Yeesh.

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07-23-2012, 09:56 AM
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I think this is where a lot of people step up regarding Scott Harrington. The amount of bashing that kid took around here when he was drafted was ridiculous.

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07-23-2012, 10:09 AM
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I think this is where a lot of people step up regarding Scott Harrington. The amount of bashing that kid took around here when he was drafted was ridiculous.
Shouldn't he accomplish something in the NHL before we start declaring him a success? For the record, I wasn't one of the people you're talking about. But it seems a little early to start saying anyone was right or wrong about him.

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07-23-2012, 10:14 AM
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Shouldn't he accomplish something in the NHL before we start declaring him a success? For the record, I wasn't one of the people you're talking about. But it seems a little early to start saying anyone was right or wrong about him.
Up to this point, people have been incredibly wrong about him.

Harrington's development over the last year could not have gone better.

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Up to this point, people have been incredibly wrong about him.
Sure, but you could say the same thing about a lot of the guys being talked about in this thread. I mean people were only wrong about these guys in the first place specifically because they showed promise at the lower levels and looked to be on the right track. Sometimes the wheels just fall off at the highest level. I mean I'm not trying to nitpick or anything, but it just seems like the jury is still out on a guy like Harrington.

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07-23-2012, 10:21 AM
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Caputi and Christensen.

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07-23-2012, 10:22 AM
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Up to this point, people have been incredibly wrong about him.
It's that way every draft. It amazes me how fired up fans get about prospects/draft picks they've seen little of and sometimes haven't even seen them play at all. I personally have more of a wait and see approach with prospects/draft picks. I won't be very critical of them until they deserve it and that is when they start stinking up the joint in junior, the AHL or when given a really good opportunity in the NHL lineup.

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07-23-2012, 10:25 AM
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I thought Ross Lupaschuk was going to solve many of our pp issues...I guess not.

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I had high hopes for Konstantin Koltsov!

But I still like to watch him when he plays internationally for Belarus.

Oh, and I still held out hope about Angelo Esposito for a while. I'm still amazed that he turned out to be a waste of a draft pick even at #21. :/

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I think this is where a lot of people step up regarding Scott Harrington. The amount of bashing that kid took around here when he was drafted was ridiculous.
ya but were they bashing Harrington or bashing another defenseman because he's a defenseman?

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ya but were they bashing Harrington or bashing another defenseman because he's a defenseman?
Both

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Kraft and I bought into some of the hype about Welch also.

I also remember trying to be hopeful about the 3 scrubs we got from Washington for Jagr, but that delusion left me quick whereas I kept believing Kraft would turn it around.

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fair enough. I don't really follow the draft or prospects before they get near the NHL.

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Kraft and I bought into some of the hype about Welch also.

I also remember trying to be hopeful about the 3 scrubs we got from Washington for Jagr, but that delusion left me quick whereas I kept believing Kraft would turn it around.
So you know Kraft and he was high on Welch?

On a serious note, yes, the three "Jagr prospects" really amounted to a whole lot of nothing, which is actually pretty unbelievable. I mean how big is the chance that you can pick 3 prospects from an organisation and not of them turns out to be an NHL player?

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07-23-2012, 11:31 AM
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Caputi and Christensen.
At least he was and still is clutch in the SO

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Mostly our wingers maybe 3-4 years ago. Our prospects stable consisted of Esposito, Caputi, Veilleux, Johnson, CPZ and Gergen. I thought it was impossible they would all bust.

Even before them, Stone (first I saw him as 2nd line center, then 3rd line winger, then 4th line grinder.... he became AHL depth), Filewich (who one season scored 30 goals before the AHL All-Star break, then hit an epic slump and was never the same) and Samuelsson (guess he fell for a reason) all failed to make even a little impact. It's like our wingers are cursed.

Kraft I think everyone expected to at least make it as a 2nd line center. I'm still not sure what went wrong with him.

The Harvard defense duo of Welch and Lannon, more so because of Welch who I thought was a Despres-like blue chip. Both have been outproduced at the NHL level by former teammate Dylan Reese...

Expected much more out of Christensen, though he did have an NHL career. Slick offensive skill, great shot, had such a good start in Pittsburgh, I was sure he'd make it as 2nd line winger and shootout specialist. He took a downward spiral after the Hossa trade and is now out of the NHL at age 28.

Carcillo I thought was a braindead chump and more likely to end up in jail than make the NHL. I was wrong about that last part.

I was right and wrong about Moulson. I thought he'd make a good 3rd liner and was upset when we let him go. But I never expected him to become a regular 30 goal scorer.

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Casey Pierro-Zabotel Those numbers he was putting up in the whl were impressive.

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Casey Pierro-Zabotel Those numbers he was putting up in the whl were impressive.
Definitely took advantage of playing with Evander Kane

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