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07-23-2012, 02:07 PM
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How much was everyone talking about giving up for Bobby Ryan?

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How much was everyone talking about giving up for Bobby Ryan?
Meszaros + Voracek + Gustafsson + Cousins?

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If the Preds match, what then?

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If the Preds match, what then?
No Stanley Cup for a while... the drought will continue

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If the Preds match, what then?
We stand pat. Our defense has improved. Our offense is young.

There's more number ones on the market next year.

Maybe go after Yandle? But don't overpay.

Hope Doan still signs here?

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07-23-2012, 02:23 PM
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We stand pat. Our defense has improved. Our offense is young.

There's more number ones on the market next year.

Maybe go after Yandle? But don't overpay.

Hope Doan still signs here?
Enstrom may also be a viable target.

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07-23-2012, 02:24 PM
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If the Preds match, what then?
Honestly, I was pretty comfortable with staying on the youth movement. I think Luke Schenn can improve drastically and be a huge help. Grossmann will have a full year and Meszaros is healthy.

I'm content with our team. Very.

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We stand pat. Our defense has improved. Our offense is young.

There's more number ones on the market next year.

Maybe go after Yandle? But don't overpay.

Hope Doan still signs here?
While I agree that this is what the team should do, I don't know that "Stand Pat" is in the Flyer vocabulary, especially after taking such a huge swing and miss on Weber (if matched.

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If the Preds match, what then?
watch Claude completely take over the team
hope B Schenn Takes that next elite prospect step
Hope Sean takes a huge leap
hope Danny B shows up for the playoffs
Hope Hartnell Puts up something close to last year
Hope L. Schenn steps up big time
Hope coburn plays like a stud D man
Hope Kimmo has a solid year
Hope our O lines can play a little defense
Hope the thing that plagues the flyers in the playoffs takes a break

what am I forgetting, what am I forgetting, o yea. hope the goalie is a goalie

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Meszaros + Voracek + Gustafsson + Cousins?
One would assume that that asking price just significantly dropped when considering the Columbus trade... but then Anaheim will just counter with the fact that Howson is a moron.

Oh just for ***** and giggles I read a tweet saying that someone attempted to enter the NY-CBJ trade on NHL 12... Columbus refused and said that NY was silly to even offer such a deal.

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07-23-2012, 02:25 PM
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We stand pat. Our defense has improved. Our offense is young.

There's more number ones on the market next year.

Maybe go after Yandle? But don't overpay.

Hope Doan still signs here?
- Carle + Schenn and Gervais is an improved defense?

a different defense, yes, but improved? I'm not convinced.

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07-23-2012, 02:26 PM
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One would assume that that asking price just significantly dropped when considering the Columbus trade... but then Anaheim will just counter with the fact that Howson is a moron.
Touché

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Im thinking that just brought extra leverage back to Nashville from a desperation point of view.
I continue to assert that Nashville has all the leverage in their ability to match. If they can, they will. If they can't, then the only question becomes what can they get for the Flyers 4 #1s, be it from the Flyers or someone else. There's no leverage unless Holmgren buys the idea that Nashville can match for their franchise player but would prefer to move him for several lesser pieces, which I just don't buy.


Here's another thing I haven't thought of up until now. Since the Flyers signed Weber, they should have every indication as to what he has told Nashville as far as what he'll do if they match. If he's told them he'll hold out or that he won't be happy - and I'm not suggesting he has - then the Flyers know exactly where they stand.

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If the Preds match, what then?
Oh, no! We suck again!

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- Carle + Schenn and Gervais is an improved defense?

a different defense, yes, but improved? I'm not convinced.
PLAYOFFS 2012

Coburn - one of Grossmann's legs
old-man Timonen - WTF CARLE!?!?!??!
Gustafsson - Lilja

OFFSEASON 2012

Coburn - Grossmann
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Lilja/Gervais/Gustafsson/Bourdon/Manning

HOPE FOR 2013

Weber - Coburn
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann

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If the Preds match, what then?
Should: Stand pat, knowing we likely don't win the Cup this year unless Bryz does a 180. Watch the young nucleus build together and have room to make a major addition over the next 11 months if the right opportunity arises.

Will: Wildly overpay for Yandle/Ryan and/or Doan and still don't likely win the Cup this year.

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PLAYOFFS 2012

Coburn - one of Grossmann's legs
old-man Timonen - WTF CARLE!?!?!??!
Gustafsson - Lilja

OFFSEASON 2012

Coburn - Grossmann
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Lilja/Gervais/Gustafsson/Bourdon/Manning

HOPE FOR 2013

Weber - Coburn
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann
But the question was under the assumption that Nashville matches.

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PLAYOFFS 2012

Coburn - one of Grossmann's legs
old-man Timonen - WTF CARLE!?!?!??!
Gustafsson - Lilja

OFFSEASON 2012

Coburn - Grossmann
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Lilja/Gervais/Gustafsson/Bourdon/Manning

HOPE FOR 2013

Weber - Coburn
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann
You left out half of Grossmann's brain in your playoff line up.

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You left out half of Grossmann's brain in your playoff line up.
Ah, good point.

PLAYOFFS 2012

Coburn - one of Grossmann's legs and half of Grossmann's brain
old-man Timonen - WTF CARLE!?!?!??!
Gustafsson - Lilja

OFFSEASON 2012

Coburn - Grossmann
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Lilja/Gervais/Gustafsson/Bourdon/Manning

HOPE FOR 2013

Weber - Coburn
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann

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- Carle + Schenn and Gervais is an improved defense?

a different defense, yes, but improved? I'm not convinced.

ummm just the -Carle is an improved Defense right there.. let alone adding fresh bodies..

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PLAYOFFS 2012

Coburn - one of Grossmann's legs
old-man Timonen - WTF CARLE!?!?!??!
Gustafsson - Lilja

OFFSEASON 2012

Coburn - Grossmann
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Lilja/Gervais/Gustafsson/Bourdon/Manning

HOPE FOR 2013

Weber - Coburn
old-man Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann
I'm not even talking about the playoff sample size. I'm talking about the fact that our defense was awful through the duration of last season. sure, we lost Pronger early on, we were without Grossmann all season until he was acquired and Meszaros was mediocre at best when he did play, but even a full season of those 2 guys will not make our defense much better than it was, imo. Timonen is another year older, we lost carle (not saying much but he could still move the puck adequately) and added an underachieving 22 year old and a borderline NHL defenseman who probably isn't better than Bourdon, Manning or Gustafsson at this point.

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Gervais/Lilja/Bourdon/Gustafsson/Manning

is an OK D, but it's not going to get the job done. Maybe we improved in the sense that we theoretically will have a healthy lineup this season and full years out of Grossmann and Meszaros, but that slight improvement won't be enough to fix the defensive deficiencies of this team.

Weber - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann

on the other hand, would be one of the best D squads in the league. We need to add a guy who can be a #1, log huge minutes and anchor the defense. A guy who can be relied on at all times.

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Way too much.
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Wow rangers got Nash for almost nothing....now we really need weber....I hope pens dont sign doan semin or trade for ryan cuz if it happen and Nasville match we are 3rd in the division.

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Since nobody attempted a financial analysis of the Predators to see if they could afford Weber, I took it upon myself to do so. Even if revenues rise 2% (I know thats low, but I feel gate receipts and whatnot may fall for NSH next year so I went low) and costs besides bonuses and salary rise only 5% (I think that's reasonable given inflation right now) and the Preds spend to only the cap floor (If they match the Weber offer, they're at 54.711 thanks to the Kostityn signing, floor is 54.2) they would be losing almost as much money as last year, not including the loss of interest they would have from not being able to bank the ST revenue.

Here ya go... of most importance, note the month to month dollars on hand totals... Having to finance that debt for the additional time minus the loss of interest from having that cash in the bank could easily cost them an additional million bucks a year.


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