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07-23-2012, 03:26 PM
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Cap hits of Dubinsky, Anisimov and Erixon: $7.825M. Cap hit of Nash: $7.8M. #CBJ #NYRangers #NHL
If you look at it that way though, the 3 players Columbus got will probably outproduce Nash. His production may bump up 10-15 points(75-80) but Dubinsky's may rise to 55-60 and Anisimov could go up to 50 or maybe 55 depending on ice time plus Erixon in the NHL all year might get 30.

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I was looking at Nash teammates over the years and im sure he's gonna have a carrer year with the Rangers.

What a brutal trade.

Dubinsky : Good player, but he fit like a glove with JT in NY. Not sure he's gonna that effective in CLB.
Anisimov : Srsly? Just sign Andrei Kostitsyn.
Erixon : Solid prospect, but he's not a can't miss bluechip. The Rangers had much better options in their pipeline.
1st pick : Rangers finished 1st...... LOL
Erixon is a top 20 prospect...not for NYR but for the whole NHL. It's like us trading Beaulieu.

Dubinsky with a bigger role in CBJ his numbers should increase. Plus he had his worst career year last year.

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07-23-2012, 03:36 PM
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Erixon is not a top prospect.. he'd be like Morgan Ellis in our pool.

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Erixon is garbage. He'll never pan out. Terrible work ethic and softer than butter. He won't be anything more than a PP specialist.

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Erixon is not a top prospect.. he'd be like Morgan Ellis in our pool.
In terms of value, Erixon is worth more than Ellis because he was drafted in the first round. However, I agree with you that Ellis is just as good a prospect. Erixon will not amount to a McDonagh or Staal like player, which C-bus should've expected for Rick Nash.

I absolutely hate the value Howson got all the while holding out on trading him for a bigger return. What the hell was he being offered?

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so-so.

From Elite Prospects: Tim Erixson

A very smart defenseman that plays a solid two-way game. Erixon is not very spectacular, but plays an effective and rather simple game. He does not throw his body around, but can be aggressive and has active stickwork. Hockey sense is very good and so is his offensive positioning. Not a pure offensive force, but has enough skills to put up points and quarterback the powerplay if needed. Furthermore, he has good size and mobility and handles the puck well.

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Damn, put Gomer in the AHL to take away his cap hit and trade Plekanec, Eller, Ellis and our 1st rounder (a potentially higher one) and you've got a similar offer. Would I do it for Nash? Perhaps, but it'd hurt us in the long term. Rangers shouldn't be a cup favourite cause of this but probably will be called one. It's up to Nash to show he belongs in the category of superstars (which I've always felt was dubious). Anything less than a 40 goal, 80 point year is a disappointment to a varying degree if you ask me. He gives the Rangers a great top end of talent, now the challenge is to make sure they have the scoring and forechecking depth needed and that their D doesn't take a step back (it lacks a true #1 and no McDonaugh is not a #1 d-man yet. Unlike the rest of HFboards, I'm giving the guy a couple seasons to prove he's capable of playing the same before I declare him Norris-calibre at any point). If those things don't go wrong, they can compete for the Cup. But it'll be tough in the Final, cause at this stage West>>East.

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Dubinsky with a bigger role in CBJ his numbers should increase.
We're talking about a player who's cracked 50 points all of once playing for a much better run franchise. Why would his numbers increase playing for one of the league's absolute sad-sacks, both on & off the ice?

This Ansimov guy doesn't look any better. Three full seasons and he's yet to crack 0.5 PPG.

The Jackets traded a first-line player for two mediocre to decent supporting players, and a prospect. Except they now have no legitimate first-line players on their entire roster. They're a mish-mash collection of spare parts & castoffs. They already had a 9-point lock on last overall this season; I'd up that to 15+ for next.

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Nash is over-rated, but he will probably be a better player for the Rangers than he was the Jackets...still to high a cap hit...

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07-23-2012, 04:23 PM
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That's what happens when you have a list to work with. Howson is awful, but he might not have that big of a choice here.

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I feel bad for Blue Jacket fans.

An equivalent deal from Montreal would have been Bourque (Dubinsky), Eller (Anisimov), Beaulieu (Erixon) and a 1st. Beaulieu has more value than Erixon, but he offsets the fact Anisimov has more value than Eller.

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I wouldn't trade Eller, Beaulieu and 1st for Nash.

Also, a 1st from Montreal is equivalent to multiple 1st rounders from New York.

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07-24-2012, 07:39 AM
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We're talking about a player who's cracked 50 points all of once playing for a much better run franchise. Why would his numbers increase playing for one of the league's absolute sad-sacks, both on & off the ice?

This Ansimov guy doesn't look any better. Three full seasons and he's yet to crack 0.5 PPG.

The Jackets traded a first-line player for two mediocre to decent supporting players, and a prospect. Except they now have no legitimate first-line players on their entire roster. They're a mish-mash collection of spare parts & castoffs. They already had a 9-point lock on last overall this season; I'd up that to 15+ for next.
I'm with CP on this one. Sure the BJs are pretty bad but I could see a guy like Dubinsky getting better numbers with a bigger role. Much like Umberger did since he joined Columbus (on average)

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so-so.

From Elite Prospects: Tim Erixson

A very smart defenseman that plays a solid two-way game. Erixon is not very spectacular, but plays an effective and rather simple game. He does not throw his body around, but can be aggressive and has active stickwork. Hockey sense is very good and so is his offensive positioning. Not a pure offensive force, but has enough skills to put up points and quarterback the powerplay if needed. Furthermore, he has good size and mobility and handles the puck well.
For a while there I thought you were describing Ryan Murray's less attractive sister

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07-24-2012, 07:54 AM
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I feel bad for Blue Jacket fans.

An equivalent deal from Montreal would have been Bourque (Dubinsky), Eller (Anisimov), Beaulieu (Erixon) and a 1st. Beaulieu has more value than Erixon, but he offsets the fact Anisimov has more value than Eller.
I think Desharnais is closer to Dubinsky in value than Bourque.

I don't see why HFBoards has deemed this to be such an awful deal for the Jackets, frankly.

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I think Desharnais is closer to Dubinsky in value than Bourque.

I don't see why HFBoards has deemed this to be such an awful deal for the Jackets, frankly.
Considering who they were initially targeting (the likes of McDonagh, Stepan and Kreider) vs. who they ended up with, and how long the entire process took, you really can't blame them

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I think Desharnais is closer to Dubinsky in value than Bourque.

I don't see why HFBoards has deemed this to be such an awful deal for the Jackets, frankly.
I think it's because CLB only got depth players in return as well as a decent prospect+pick, but also because Howson seemed to be patiently waiting for a huge offer.
If that's the best deal offered, I mean, what were other teams giving?

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07-24-2012, 08:21 AM
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Considering who they were initially targeting (the likes of McDonagh, Stepan and Kreider) vs. who they ended up with, and how long the entire process took, you really can't blame them
Well, Howson waited to see if something better came along. It didn't, so he had to settle for something decent.

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I think it's because CLB only got depth players in return as well as a decent prospect+pick, but also because Howson seemed to be patiently waiting for a huge offer.
If that's the best deal offered, I mean, what were other teams giving?
I don't think it's fair to call Dubinsky a depth player. This is a player who puts up solid points, entering his prime, strong fundamentals, and can be part of a team's solid core moving forward.

Anisimov is also young, already proven to be a very good third-liner, has the potential to be a 2nd liner.

Erixon is a very good prospect, and the 1st comes in a good draft.

To me, that's a decent package.

I can't imagine a package being much better than that, in fact. Have there been better packages than that in recent years for players that've demanded trades? I suppose Heatley's package was nice because Michalek's turned it around. However, at the time, Michalek wasn't much more than Dubinsky. And then in this deal, there are 3 other valuable components.

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Erixon is not a top prospect.. he'd be like Morgan Ellis in our pool.
Was Ellis rated top 20 in the whole NHL by a pannel of NHL scouts?

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07-24-2012, 08:34 AM
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We're talking about a player who's cracked 50 points all of once playing for a much better run franchise. Why would his numbers increase playing for one of the league's absolute sad-sacks, both on & off the ice?

This Ansimov guy doesn't look any better. Three full seasons and he's yet to crack 0.5 PPG.

The Jackets traded a first-line player for two mediocre to decent supporting players, and a prospect. Except they now have no legitimate first-line players on their entire roster. They're a mish-mash collection of spare parts & castoffs. They already had a 9-point lock on last overall this season; I'd up that to 15+ for next.
Dubinsky's numbers will increase for 2 reasons. 1-because he had a crap year and is pretty much a lock to bounce back to his career average of around 50 points. 2-he should get more ice time in prime offensive situations there, in NYR he was sometimes used in a more defensive role(see Desharnais vs Plekanec example).

Using mediocre in the same sentence as Dubinsky is pretty ridiculous. I'm sure if Columbus wants to trade him they can get a 1st plus a top prospect back for him. He is a guy every GM in the NHL would want.

Nash had a huge contract, NTC and didn't want to be there so CBJ didn't have a ton of options. Howson asked for the moon for the last 4-5 months but had to chose a "good" package instead of the "great"(McDonagh Dubinsky Erixon 1st) he wanted.

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They have 4 legit superstars on their team and we have one potentially in Price. Go figure.
Exactly. Un ****ing real. Sather might have been an idiot over the years, but what the ****? Who's running the team? Can't be Slats:

Richards
Gaborik
Nash
Staal
McDo( Unproven but getting there)
King Henry

You guys know better than me, maybe they're weak in bottom 6 F, or bottom 4 D, but ****ing hell.

They've won nothing yet, but those 5 plus McDo are unreal. I could see them scoring 300 goals this year, and with King in net. Un ****ing real.

Yeah it's through trade and UFA, but who cares? What a job they've done. I'm really starting to get pissed off at the ****ing we've been doing the last 4 years. Bit of a wake up call for us.

I'll stick with our drafting strategy, but in 2 years we'd better be able to land one or 2 monster UFA. Otherwise giant pissed off time for Habs fans, and I would not blame us.

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I wouldn't trade Eller, Beaulieu and 1st for Nash.

Also, a 1st from Montreal is equivalent to multiple 1st rounders from New York.
None is those players will ever come close to how good Nash already is. Not that we could have acquired him but if he did have us on his list, trading those layers for him is a complete no brainer.

Eller, Beaulieu and a 1st for Nash would be highway robbery. I tink your Habs bias is getting the better of you on this one.

Just to put things in perspective.

Anisimov and Eller are largely comparable IMO.
Dubinsky is a better asset Beaulieu right now. Maybe that changes, but he IS a serviceable NHLer.
Habs 1st is superior to a rangers 1st. This is only part of the deal that your offer is superior.

You also have to take into consideration Nash had a list of teams he'd be willing to go to. Other teams would have undoubtably given a better package but they weren't in the process. The Rangers got a steal, don't think that other teams would have as well if they were in the bidding.

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Dubinsky = Gionta
Anisimov = Eller
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1st = 2nd + 4th
Yeah but Rags can win right now. No comparsion. Note how the top 3 or 4 teams are just going nuts to win now. And I think it's smart. I will be very pissed in 3 years if we're real close and can't land the guy who puts us over the top.

Very good move by Rags. Piss me off.

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None is those players will ever come close to how good Nash already is. Not that we could have acquired him but if he did have us on his list, trading those layers for him is a complete no brainer.

Eller, Beaulieu and a 1st for Nash would be highway robbery. I tink your Habs bias is getting the better of you on this one.
Our 1st rounder may very well be superior to Rick Nash, as Seguin is better than Kessell.

Nash belongs on a team that can win now. He can't carry a mediocre team by himself. See Blue Jackets, Columbus.

You're the one with the Habs bias, as you're thinking our 1st rounder won't be remotely as good as Nash.

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Exactly. Un ****ing real. Sather might have been an idiot over the years, but what the ****? Who's running the team? Can't be Slats:

Richards
Gaborik
Nash
Staal
McDo( Unproven but getting there)
King Henry

You guys know better than me, maybe they're weak in bottom 6 F, or bottom 4 D, but ****ing hell.

They've won nothing yet, but those 5 plus McDo are unreal. I could see them scoring 300 goals this year, and with King in net. Un ****ing real.

Yeah it's through trade and UFA, but who cares? What a job they've done. I'm really starting to get pissed off at the ****ing we've been doing the last 4 years. Bit of a wake up call for us.

I'll stick with our drafting strategy, but in 2 years we'd better be able to land one or 2 monster UFA. Otherwise giant pissed off time for Habs fans, and I would not blame us.
I'm really not blown away by this Ranger team. It's good and all, but not that special.

I mean, take a look at Dallas a couple of years ago:

Brad Richards
Loui Eriksson
Mike Ribeiro
Jamie Benn
Brendan Morrow
James Neal

To me, that top-6 from two years ago is better than NYR's top-6 now. Or, at least comparable.

That Dallas club didn't make the playoffs.

Now, NYR has a solid defense and terrific goaltending--two things that Dallas club didn't have. But still, it puts it into perspective.

As for the Ranger top-3 of McDonagh, Girardi and Staal? Marginally better than Subban, Markov and Gorges, IMO.

...

All that said, this Ranger squad is looking good, but not spectacular, and certainly not world-beaters. There are a few clubs out there still looking better on paper to me.

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