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2012 Minnesota #4 Prospect

View Poll Results: Who is the #4 Minnesota Wild Prospect?
Brett Bulmer 4 3.10%
Raphael Bussieres 0 0%
Tyler Cuma 1 0.78%
John Draeger 0 0%
Mathew Dumba 64 49.61%
Adam Gilmour 0 0%
Matt Hackett 6 4.65%
Erik Haula 0 0%
Steven Kampfer 0 0%
Darcy Kuemper 0 0%
Johan Larsson 33 25.58%
Mario Lucia 0 0%
Zack Phillips 3 2.33%
Jason Zucker 18 13.95%
Other (please explain) 0 0%
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07-23-2012, 03:04 PM
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The fact that this is for #4 and we're debating over the SEL Rookie of the Year, a former WHL Rookie of the Year/top goal-scoring defenseman this year, an AHL goalie who is a year away from guiding his team to the Calder Cup Final and a speedster who put up PPG numbers in the WCHA is humbling to say the least.

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Someone voted for Cuma......
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07-23-2012, 03:22 PM
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I voted for LARSSON. I don't get why he is so underrated here. He has played a great season in the SEL.

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07-23-2012, 03:27 PM
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Shocker, still voting for Zucker.

Will not understand the Dumba fascination at this stage. Especially in comparison to the type of prospects left in this pool (Zucker, Larsson, and Bulmer would all get my vote before him). I get that many see and like the "potential." Truthfully, all I see in the "potential" to be the most disappointing player in all of the prospect pool. He's that far away and that raw.

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Carrying over from the last thread, I based my prediction on Zucker's forgettable NHL stint where he was mostly overskating the puck and kind of all over the place. I need to see how he does as a pro. Coyle being able to play different roles, like he did going from NCAA to the Q, I just think he'll be able to use that size and cycling ability more successfully.

The other kicker with Zucker is that if you compare his numbers to Parise they aren't even close (for NCAA). And they play a similar type of game, high end grinder with scoring ability.
His forgettable stint with a forgettable AHL team disguised as a NHL squad? I guess I wouldn't put much stock into Zucker's NHL games considering the jump he was making in-season and his injury.

As for the Parise comment, keep in mind that line Parise played on was one of the most prolific that NCAA has seen in a while. Bochenski never amount to much in the NHL but he was as pure of a collegiate scorer as there was at that time. When Murray came into the fold, well, there was plenty of points to be had.

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Voted Dumba last poll... Everyone else voted Coyle.

Voted Larsson this poll... Everyone else voted Dumba.


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07-23-2012, 03:47 PM
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Voted for Larsson. Dumba has a higher ceiling, but Larsson is very polished and has a much better chance of reaching his Mikko Koivu like ceiling.

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Poor Zucker..

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Do not agree with Dumba at all.

He is a special player in that he brings a very special toolset. The Wild haven't had a player like him since forever. But don't forget, he still needs alot of work to do with his defensive game and his decision making.

But with Larsson, here you have a polished player who has succeeded against men in the SEL. He won rookie-of-the-year in the SEL, play on the WC team populated with NHL players.
He also captained the Swedish U-20 team to the gold medal, and was considered their key player.

He's very well built, plays with passion, plays a pretty much flawless two-way game with physicality and skill. He may not have top NHL potential, but he brings a blend of size, leadership, skill, mobility, and experience, you will be hardpressed to find anywhere else.

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07-23-2012, 04:06 PM
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^^I got Larrson next, then Zucker.....

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07-23-2012, 04:21 PM
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Angry Swed. He consistently shows consistent improvement, works his ass off, has a strong well-rounded skill-set, good on-ice vision and is mean. I do liken him to Koivu, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

Maybe, just maybe Dumba has a higher ceiling, but the kid is at least two years away from even getting a chance to prove anything. The Swed's knocking on the door and he's already proven himself against men and as a good leader.

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07-23-2012, 04:22 PM
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Voted Larsson.

Dumba has a ceiling to probably be our 3rd best prospect but hes also the most likely not to reach it.

He probably has 3 years before hes in the NHL.

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Zucker again, I have a firm belief that he'll become a great scorer for us in a season or two.

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07-23-2012, 04:29 PM
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I'd say ceiling:

Granlund
Dumba
Brodin
Zucker/Coyle
Larsson
Hackett

Floor:

Granlund
Brodin
Coyle
Larsson
Hackett
Dumba
Zucker


FWIW I think Phillips is likely going to bust, Zucker the next most likely. I should probably have Hackett higher in my rankings but I just think Larsson will surprise everyone and become a poor man's Zetterberg (25-30g 30-40a two-way force).

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I'd say ceiling:

Granlund
Dumba
Brodin
Zucker/Coyle
Larsson
Hackett

Floor:

Granlund
Brodin
Coyle
Larsson
Hackett
Dumba
Zucker


FWIW I think Phillips is likely going to bust, Zucker the next most likely. I should probably have Hackett higher in my rankings but I just think Larsson will surprise everyone and become a poor man's Zetterberg (25-30g 30-40a two-way force).
Agreed, but that is what the luxury of having such a stacked prospect pool allows us to do, call one of our very talented players a possible bust

I mean, he is doing so well, leading his Memorial Cup team as MVP, yet he is stuck behind 5 other prospects in the Wild team...amazing...

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07-23-2012, 04:49 PM
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It's hard to foretell what Phillips can do in the NHL. You can see his true potential when he has played a few games in the highest level.

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07-23-2012, 04:52 PM
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Shouldn't this poll be about who can make the greatest impact? Not who has the highest ceiling? Hackett as a GOALIE can arguably make a greater impact than any of the prospects we are talking about outside of Granlund and maybe Coyle and Brodin, and that's why Hackett should be 4 people.

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Shouldn't this poll be about who can make the greatest impact? Not who has the highest ceiling? Hackett as a GOALIE can arguably make a greater impact than any of the prospects we are talking about outside of Granlund and maybe Coyle and Brodin, and that's why Hackett should be 4 people.
Goalies can be found so easily in so many different ways, I will never rank one higher than a truly gifted and likely to succeed skater.

Now, you talk about skaters with bust potential or lower ceilings, then Hackett gets in there...that's why I have Hackett at #6.

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Shouldn't this poll be about who can make the greatest impact? Not who has the highest ceiling? Hackett as a GOALIE can arguably make a greater impact than any of the prospects we are talking about outside of Granlund and maybe Coyle and Brodin, and that's why Hackett should be 4 people.
I think everyone uses different criteria to rank the prospects the way they see fit....fine with me. There really is no "right or wrong" way to vote. Totally subjective.

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Shouldn't this poll be about who can make the greatest impact? Not who has the highest ceiling? Hackett as a GOALIE can arguably make a greater impact than any of the prospects we are talking about outside of Granlund and maybe Coyle and Brodin, and that's why Hackett should be 4 people.
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I think everyone uses different criteria to rank the prospects the way they see fit....fine with me. There really is no "right or wrong" way to vote. Totally subjective.
Pretty much this. Everyone has their own criteria as to why "prospect A" is better than "prospect B." Different factors and attributes are more important to different people.

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Voted for Dumba. I personally value Hackett more than Dumba right now, but I knew that Hackett has no chance of winning this round so Dumba it is

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Went with Zuck. Love his offensive ability combined with his history of leadership and competitiveness.

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The new prospect option in the poll is University of Minnesota junior Erik Haula and as always, polls are open for two days.
Gustafsson should be next IMO!

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