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Satan to Islanders, Visnovsky maybe not

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07-23-2012, 05:44 PM
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the clause kicked in July 1st and he was traded at the draft

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That none of us have any right to criticizing him for wanting his contract terms upheld. Whatever reasons he has, he obviously wants his terms upheld and some people like where they live and after making millions and playing for 15 years, maybe where he lives is worth more to him then money.

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A deep thought. I bet most people who'll just say "I'll move!" don't have kids. And if they do, maybe they shouldn't. Overly ambitious people make crappy parents, because they'll do whatever it takes to make money, whether its good for their family or not.

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07-23-2012, 05:53 PM
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correct me if im wrong, but the trade went through on draft day. Everyone seems to be saying his NMC goes into effect on July 1. If so, whats the problem? Is there something I'm missing?

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Okay. Imagine you're 64 years old. And you have recently accumulated something around 10 times more than you require to retire. And you've got really great kids and grandkids. Oh, and your work requires you to be in a different country than your native country. And then, your company wants you to move across country at 40% less pay pay than you made last year. Then they want to transfer you to help resuscitate a failing wing of the corp. Imagine also that you're also the sort of guy who has interests in other things.

The comparison isn't "'off to some'", it's plain silly.

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Okay - well "verbally illustrated."

That being the case, I'd rather not take the hit of trading for a player that *suddenly decided* retiring is better than honoring a contract to it's completion - having gone the arbitration route, let the Islanders at least get the 2nd rounder back, and that way Visno gets to retire as a Duck. Void the trade, then he can retire.

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07-23-2012, 05:55 PM
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It's always something with this franchise.

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07-23-2012, 07:20 PM
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I really don't think Lubo wants to play for us. Maybe we can package him with something to get another d-man
neither did nabby

he will probably show up to training camp and enjoy it and then sign an extension next off season

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he'll show up, he'll get through training camp and blow a hammy in week one...book it.

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Wow, tough days to be an Isles fan. Claim a guy on waivers, he refuses to play for you. Trade for a guy, he doesn't want to play for your. Free agent signings is a 37 y/o who had a rep of being a quitter when he was in his prime. Which just so happens to be the rep of the other UFA they signed. Meanwhile their own UFA left town... damn ...tough days!

I hope Wang doesn't screw the pooch when his young, high draft pick, players start hitting/nearing UFA age.

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I guess being dead last in attendance almost every year since the lockout shows how much the organization cares about icing a quality product.

A low salary is more important to the islanders than getting fans to show up.
It all ties into revenues coming in. The Isles need a new building desperately in order to make money. They are dead last in attendance because the fans do not believe the joke of an owner they have. It is really frustrating being an Isles fan, but so be it. Hopefully Wang sells soon, and a real owner shows up to clean up his mess. I do not believe a word this guy says (Wang) as he really should probably be in jail with his partner Kumar. And no politician in NY is going to trust him either. Mark my words that Bettman is going to have to step in and force Wang's hand, hopefully to sell!

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correct me if im wrong, but the trade went through on draft day. Everyone seems to be saying his NMC goes into effect on July 1. If so, whats the problem? Is there something I'm missing?
When the Kings signed him to his current contract, it came with an NTC. The Kings traded him before the contract was in effect. This gave the Oilers the option of either honoring the NTC or not honoring it. If they honored it, once the contract kicks in with the NTC, the NTC will follow Visnovsky around.

The murky part of this situation is that nobody seems to know if the Oilers honored the NTC or not. Visnovsky seems to think so.

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There's no way Satan is coming back to Long Island.
This was my first thought, its hard to believe hes still playing....

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When the Kings signed him to his current contract, it came with an NTC. The Kings traded him before the contract was in effect. This gave the Oilers the option of either honoring the NTC or not honoring it. If they honored it, once the contract kicks in with the NTC, the NTC will follow Visnovsky around.

The murky part of this situation is that nobody seems to know if the Oilers honored the NTC or not. Visnovsky seems to think so.
Even if it was honored, the NTC didn't go into effect until year 5. Year 5 would have began on July 1

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07-23-2012, 09:05 PM
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I'd rather have seen Satan sign a 10-day deal with the Devils... best 10-day deal in Devils history.

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From an article Staple posted

The Islanders had no comment on the matter. They are not involved in the grievance, though they would be greatly affected by the outcome if Visnovsky wins and the deal is voided.
They could still try to make a deal with the Ducks for Visnovsky, who has told friends he would still be open to playing for the Islanders even if he wins his case.
"He's been very thankful for the attention he's received from the Islanders. He's impressed," Sheehy said. "This is not a New York Islanders issue."

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The Islanders had no comment on the matter. They are not involved in the grievance, though they would be greatly affected by the outcome if Visnovsky wins and the deal is voided.
They could still try to make a deal with the Ducks for Visnovsky, who has told friends he would still be open to playing for the Islanders even if he wins his case.
"He's been very thankful for the attention he's received from the Islanders. He's impressed," Sheehy said. "This is not a New York Islanders issue."
Then why file the grievance? If he has no problem playing for the Isles, then what is it he's looking to gain by going back to Anaheim & then being traded back to the Islanders? He's already here?

I think the most confusing part about all this is the NYI looking to bring back Satan.

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07-23-2012, 09:32 PM
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Then why file the grievance? If he has no problem playing for the Isles, then what is it he's looking to gain by going back to Anaheim & then being traded back to the Islanders? He's already here?

I think the most confusing part about all this is the NYI looking to bring back Satan.
Maybe this is a CBA/ NHLPA issue that they want to make apparent during negotiations?

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Then why file the grievance? If he has no problem playing for the Isles, then what is it he's looking to gain by going back to Anaheim & then being traded back to the Islanders? He's already here?

I think the most confusing part about all this is the NYI looking to bring back Satan.
It's an NHLPA/contract thing. GMs can't just ignore a player's NTC.

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It's an NHLPA/contract thing. GMs can't just ignore a player's NTC.
I'm thinking either that, or Lubo is trying to clear his name just in case he loses. Not sure what to make of this situation anymore

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interesting about Ľubomír Višňovský

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In this case it is the NHLPA IMO

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Then why file the grievance? If he has no problem playing for the Isles, then what is it he's looking to gain by going back to Anaheim & then being traded back to the Islanders? He's already here?

I think the most confusing part about all this is the NYI looking to bring back Satan.
"No problem playing for the Islanders" but prefering to play elsewhere, as defined by the contract he negotiated, seems to be the issue.

Rumors late last season had Visnovsky considering retiring from the NHL and playing his remaining days in Europe. This is the weakest dollar year of his contract, and if it truly is his last in the NHL, playing for about half of what he had been making on the premium years of the deal for a suspect franchise with no hope of the post-season isn't exactly something to get all geeked out about.

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The Islanders had no comment on the matter. They are not involved in the grievance, though they would be greatly affected by the outcome if Visnovsky wins and the deal is voided.
They could still try to make a deal with the Ducks for Visnovsky, who has told friends he would still be open to playing for the Islanders even if he wins his case.
"He's been very thankful for the attention he's received from the Islanders. He's impressed," Sheehy said. "This is not a New York Islanders issue."
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Then why file the grievance? If he has no problem playing for the Isles, then what is it he's looking to gain by going back to Anaheim & then being traded back to the Islanders? He's already here?

I think the most confusing part about all this is the NYI looking to bring back Satan.
It's the principal of the thing. There's principalities here!


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Maybe this is a CBA/ NHLPA issue that they want to make apparent during negotiations?
In addition, if it's upheld that his NTC was valid he now has it while he's on Long Island and the Isles couldn't deal him away at the trade deadline without his permission.

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Kaberle and Weber for Visnovsky?

edit: Tomas* Kaberle
edit2: Yannick* Weber
edit3: Lubomir* Visnovsky

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So what if he wins this?

What will the Islanders get in return? Will Anaheim compensate them for that 2nd round pick?

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